Ppg 1st-4th Helical Dog Set

[JadeGTR]

Hello, I am looking at upgrading my cross-mission w/center plate to the PPG 1st-4th Helical Dog Set in about six months, so I am no rush for information. However, I would prefer to hear from those that have had first hand experience with the PPG 1st-4th Helical Dog Set. Looking to match this up to my GT-R (BCNR33). I hate typing, so for a basic idea of my baby's build;

- HKS Fcon VPro

- HKS T51R BB

- ARC IC 3 core

- Tomei 270 10.8

- HKS Crankshaft balanced w/ ORC Triple-plate and ATI damper

- Greddy Surge tank

- Fuel Injectors 1000 cc

- Bosch, Fuel Pump x2

- Tires, 245/45-17 Nitto (Drag only)

- Tires, 265/35-18 Dunlap RE-01 (Daily use only)

- Tires, 275/35-18 BFG Drag Radials (Daily & Drag use?/ to be tested)

[unique1]

I run the ppg 1st-5th straight cut dog gearset in a gtr box and its a great piece of gear, drives nicely and can be street drivin once you get the hang of rev matching on downshifts. The upshifts are easy and never crunch if u let it slide in slowly or jam it as hard as possible. I never realised how slow a synchro box was to shift until i drove the dog set, its just on another level and worth every cent.

Im running 560hp at wheels in a 1700kg stagea and done heaps of rev limiter launches and never had any breakages, plus heaps of slamming gears and all is perfect. Only issue with the straight cut option is the noise is pretty loud if its doing any street duties, but you are thinking helical so thats no drama.

Edited January 26, 2009 by unique1

[JadeGTR]

I run the ppg 1st-5th straight cut dog gearset in a gtr box and its a great piece of gear, drives nicely and can be street drivin once you get the hang of rev matching on downshifts. The upshifts are easy and never crunch if u let it slide in slowly or jam it as hard as possible. I never realised how slow a synchro box was to shift until i drove the dog set, its just on another level and worth every cent.

Im running 560hp at wheels in a 1700kg stagea and done heaps of rev limiter launches and never had any breakages, plus heaps of slamming gears and all is perfect. Only issue with the straight cut option is the noise is pretty loud if its doing any street duties, but you are thinking helical so thats no drama.

thanks for the response and your experience with the ppg 1st-5th straight cut dog gearset. have you had a chance to drive the PPG Helical Dog Set? if you have, how would you compare them?

[unique1]

Unfortunately i havent, just my own personal car with the straight cut set.

[Swiper the Fox]

Red R Racing has a PPG helical dog set in its street/circuit GTR...ill get Dave to post up a comment later today on his thoughts/experience with it.

[T04GTR]

yes a dog box is a dog box. straight or helical all the same.

unless you are dedicated to smashing thru the gears when racing i wouldnt sugest it. but from your specs your not mucking around!! got a dyno sheet?

ps.. the straight cut one is very loud!! i had a 100db exhaust and cant hear it at all over the box.. lol.

pps. unique1, you must tell me how you up shift in detail!! lol. evan though i havent driven it since nov 07......

[unique1]

Hey Dave, upshifting is a simple case of revving to normal range for a shift when cruising (say 3000rpm) and put clutch in and wait till revs drop to the correct revs for the next gear (say 1800rpm) and slowly push it in and it will literally just fall into gear. I had trouble in beginning trying to jam it fast but the slower the better if u not revving it out to rpm limit, it works a treat, only the downshifts i sometimes have an issue with, but got used to it in the end. I havent drivin the car with the dogbox for a good 3 months, its going into another car now so no street duties anymore, the neighbours can have some peace from the whining

[T04GTR]

ok cool. yeah thats how i do it. but its not smooth sailing all the time. espessialy 1st-2nd up change... perhaps the dogs are abit second hand.

[ices_performance_centre]

we have fitted heaps of these and i cant say enough good things about them , only problem is the price really .

cheers.

[JadeGTR]

yes a dog box is a dog box. straight or helical all the same.

unless you are dedicated to smashing thru the gears when racing i wouldnt sugest it. but from your specs your not mucking around!! got a dyno sheet?

ps.. the straight cut one is very loud!! i had a 100db exhaust and cant hear it at all over the box.. lol.

pps. unique1, you must tell me how you up shift in detail!! lol. evan though i havent driven it since nov 07......

no dyno info at this time and I had to do an unplanned rebuild. the rebuild has taken forever (more than a year) as my pockets are not lined with money. anyway, my baby will be back on the road at the end of the month or the middle of March at the latest. I am looking at having the tune set with the high boost set at either 1.9 or 2.0 with low boost at 1.7-1.8. really leaning towards just to play it on the safe side most likely looking at keeping high boost at 1.9 until I am able to get the PPG Helical Dog Set.

we have fitted heaps of these and i cant say enough good things about them , only problem is the price really .

cheers.

thanks for the info

[Fair Dinkum]

Hello, I am looking at upgrading my cross-mission w/center plate to the PPG 1st-4th Helical Dog Set in about six months, so I am no rush for information. However, I would prefer to hear from those that have had first hand experience with the PPG 1st-4th Helical Dog Set. Looking to match this up to my GT-R (BCNR33). I hate typing, so for a basic idea of my baby's build;

- HKS Fcon VPro

- HKS T51R BB

- ARC IC 3 core

- Tomei 270 10.8

- HKS Crankshaft balanced w/ ORC Triple-plate and ATI damper

- Greddy Surge tank

- Fuel Injectors 1000 cc

- Bosch, Fuel Pump x2

- Tires, 245/45-17 Nitto (Drag only)

- Tires, 265/35-18 Dunlap RE-01 (Daily use only)

- Tires, 275/35-18 BFG Drag Radials (Daily & Drag use?/ to be tested)

Mate I have got 2 PPG gearboxes in both my GTR R34 and GTR R32 all you need to do is when driving on the street is to double clutch both up and down and no problem. If you are giving it full throttle as fast as you can push the clutch and change the gear you will never beat it, this is better for the gearbox as it is designed to be flogged. You will never break it unless you crunch the dog engagement all the time, they hate to be slow changed you have to be positive...

Hope this helps.

[blk180]

How long do they last between rebuilds?

[Fair Dinkum]

How long do they last between rebuilds?

There is no need to rebuild them unless you crunch the dog engagements with bad shifts, Run Shockproof lightweight oil and they are good for years. They are hard on the little nylon bush that sits on the end of the shifter that goes into the gearbox selector, keep a couple as spares and as they wear will be harder to shift, just throw in a new one and all good. Takes 1/2 hour.