Turbologic @ Kembla

[Karadeniz]

Has anyone dealt/ have any experience with Fred @ turbologic in port kembla.

how good is his work with hi flows/ custom made turbos etc

Theres a big difference in his prices compared to same sorta job GCG does.

Cheers

Karadenz

[wolverine]

if the price is different then it probably isn't the same "sorta job".

if there is a big difference then turbologic is probably using a bushbearing core much like hypergear offers in some of their hi-flows.

[R31Nismoid]

Has anyone dealt/ have any experience with Fred @ turbologic in port kembla.

how good is his work with hi flows/ custom made turbos etc

Theres a big difference in his prices compared to same sorta job GCG does.

Cheers

Karadenz

That's because they will be bush bearing not ball bearing cores.

Same as every other cheaper hi-flow, they are cheaper due to the core

[N1GTR]

Confirm what sort of core he uses in the high flow if thats the path your going.

But anyway, GCG are usually overpriced so i wouldnt be suprised if any number of people can offer the same product for cheaper price

[R31Nismoid]

They do have the best equipment in the country IIRC - so the price is fair enough.

[MrSquigle]

Do not hesitate mate, Fred at turbologic is an expert in turbochargers. His work is top quality and very well priced. This is one place that I know of that cheap prices doesnt mean cheap products. he caters for all new and custom turbochargers for anything turbocharged.

I dont know him that well but had to respond to your post as my experiances as a customer at tubologic are worth the effort to let everybody else know about.

good luck

[Angus Smart]

Has anyone dealt/ have any experience with Fred @ turbologic in port kembla.

how good is his work with hi flows/ custom made turbos etc

Theres a big difference in his prices compared to same sorta job GCG does.

Cheers

Karadenz

Fred is a champion!

Nuff said! i've used him many times for friends and myself! great work and great service!

He did a repair on my n1 turbos garrett didnt have the stock core parts for a while, so we put a larger core in thus giving me gtrs with n1 covers

thus creating my response machine

Edited April 21, 2009 by Angus Smart

[Karadeniz]

Ok so basically i was looking at upgrading a R34 NEO GTT Turbo to a HI Flow.

(Yes i am aware there are nummmmmerouns amounts of topics on this to which i have gone through and read, quite informative also)

I spoke to Fred, and he does a plain bearing upgrade using garrett cartridge etc and rates the turbo to be up to 450HP.

Now i had a squeeze at differences between ball bearing and plain bearing etc and came to personal opinion that if you regularly service with GOOD oil and also cool down your car after giving it a thrash, then the plain bearing is fine.

BUT what i would like to know, is how big a difference is the response levels (down low moreso) between the two bearing types.

Thanks heaps guys

[Munkyb0y]

Go the ball bearing instead. I'm sure he can do that option. I spoke to him about it ages ago.

I've only ever heard great things about Fred's work.

I'm about to send him a HKS turbo to have the front wheel dressed and balanced.

You wont find a more helpful guy. And he's supposed to be brilliant at what he does.

And yeah, GCG is definitely overpriced.

Edited April 21, 2009 by Munkyb0y

[Karadeniz]

Thanks for everyones help.

This is definitely not a thread to have a go at GCG because all i have heard is great work from them. so kudos to them.

Just needed an opinion of the work that fred does and also main pro's and con's between ball bearing and plain bearing.

Thanks again

[JAS-25T]

Do not hesitate mate, Fred at turbologic is an expert in turbochargers. His work is top quality and very well priced. This is one place that I know of that cheap prices doesnt mean cheap products. he caters for all new and custom turbochargers for anything turbocharged.

I dont know him that well but had to respond to your post as my experiances as a customer at tubologic are worth the effort to let everybody else know about.

good luck

Fred is a champion!

Nuff said! i've used him many times for friends and myself! great work and great service!

He did a repair on my n1 turbos garrett didnt have the stock core parts for a while, so we put a larger core in thus giving me gtrs with n1 covers

thus creating my response machine

+1 for Fred.

Just expect to chat to him for a while if you have a question.

[Karadeniz]

Did some research on types of bearings, and what 'bearing' (excuse the pun) they have on how your turbo performs in terms of response etc. I would appreciate everyones thoughts as i am NOT an expert and can only research so far.

Is paying the extra $$$ for BB really worth it after reading this?

The type of bearing does NOT affect at what rpm the turbo begins to come on boost, not at ALL. Thats the biggest thing they dont mention. People hear the word "spool" and suddently think a BB turbo will come on boost at half the rpm of an otherwise identical one with a plain bearing. Wrong. No difference at all.

What a BB turbo WILL do is go from say 1psi to full boost faster than a plain bearing turbo once in the boost threshold (the boost threshold is the rpm level where you put your foot down, and it comes on boost, as all engines have an area low in the rev range where it doesnt boost at all), but even according to the biggest promoter of them, Garrett, its only 15% faster, FIFTEEN PERCENT, thats, well, hardly noticable. Think about it, your at 4500rpm, you put your foot down, how long does it take to hit full boost? Blink of an eye? Maybe a second or even two if your car's really laggy. How much has spending maybe double the money buying a BB core turbo gained you? Yup, 15% of one or two seconds, thats less than a blink of an eye, certainly nothing a human being would really notice, and nothing that would make a dent on a performance time.

Dont get us wrong, is money was no issue and we wanted the perfect car, we would say BB all the way, but unless we all win the lottery (and then im sure we wont be worrying about this!) money is an issue, and paying an extra 500quid for something you wont even feel, just because the salesman told you its good, is frankly ridiculous when there are SO many more effective ways to improve your performance or indeed, increase spoolup speed.

Wheel size and type (compressor and turbine), turbine housing a/r, exhaust gas temperature, turbine housing style, and much more all can make a HUGE difference to when and how your car spools up, much much more than what a BB core will do, and usually much cheaper too.

Basically, dont worry what core it has, worry it is the best specced turbo for your application (ie not the huge a/r old junk at the top of this page, for example!).

[Angus Smart]

+1 for Fred.

Just expect to chat to him for a while if you have a question.

Haha i always send my old man down since he does work in the gong every day..

he said fred loves a good chat, dad loves him!

[Drift Motorsport]

From this Forum Post:

http://www.supraforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=365553

Data Table: http://www.ian.chisholm.clara.net/dbb/t67p...comparisons.xls

Results: Around 400ths of a second differernce to hit 1 bar of boost between ball bearing and journal bearing. SFA really. Your datalogging may notice it but you wont notice it on the road during gear changes. In Even in circuit cars, there is ample exhaust flow to keep the turbo spooled during gear changes. Spool and response will certainly be noticeable on the street but once its on boost, the difference could be SFA.

The real technology in Garrett GT BB turbos is in their wheel design and housing options.

Ball bearing is a great - but even for a big single - it may not be worth the extra premium for a big single turbo due to the wheel inertia and design providing most of the 'lag'.

In Drag racing, you will not see the benefits of the BB turbo in the 1/4 mile time as your converter should be able to make boost on the line and leave the line with boost. In a manual form, you should run an anti-lag system to get the boost up.