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Hey everyone,

Im in the market for coilovers for my Series II Stagea.

Im not a fan of the "Falcrum modified Tiens".

So I was wondering any reccomendations on brands, makes, models etc...

And where to get them???

I was snooping around Nengun.com earlier, found a few models of Jap spec

Tiens, they look and sound very good, just was hoping to find something a

little more, local and cheaper. The Tiens from J-land work out about $2,200 ish...

Im located in QLD, but suppose postage wouldnt be a problem :(

Let me know what you got...

Cheers

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KiwiRS4T Grand Master

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Hey everyone,

Im in the market for coilovers for my Series II Stagea.

Im not a fan of the "Falcrum modified Tiens".

So I was wondering any reccomendations on brands, makes, models etc...

And where to get them???

I was snooping around Nengun.com earlier, found a few models of Jap spec

Tiens, they look and sound very good, just was hoping to find something a

little more, local and cheaper. The Tiens from J-land work out about $2,200 ish...

Im located in QLD, but suppose postage wouldnt be a problem :(

Let me know what you got...

Cheers

These come well recommended although I have no personal experience of them:

http://www.skylinesaustralia.com/forums/N1...rs-t273616.html

DCVNR32 Apprentice

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try www.rhdjapan.com they are much better than nengun

i would rather bilsteins with tein s-tech springs, far superior dampning/ride control!

Hey,

I was after a stiff ride, as in unbelievably STIFF ride, and was wondering if the Bilsteins would

be able to acheive this?

KiwiRS4T Grand Master

KiwiRS4T

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Hey,

I was after a stiff ride, as in unbelievably STIFF ride, and was wondering if the Bilsteins would

be able to acheive this?

If you go to a proper suspension shop preferably with a Bilstein specialist they can valve them to give you the qualities you want. BTW you know that an unbelievably stiff ride will give you crap handing?
Sydneykid Grand Master

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Hey,

I was after a stiff ride, as in unbelievably STIFF ride, and was wondering if the Bilsteins would

be able to acheive this?

Simple, just stick a piece of 4 x 2 in there, totally stiff, infinitely adjustable height, just trim it with the cross cut saw to the height you want, cheap at about $30, readily available from you local Bunnings or 'udson Timber.

Cheers

Gary

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DCVNR32

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properly stiff(matched) dampers with a decent say 6/5 spring rate will be plenty.

The Tiens Im' looking at are the top model for Stagea's in the Tien range and have a 6/6kg spring rate.

All adjustble etc etc... and just a note, I will be towing a car trailer with this car. :D

Simple, just stick a piece of 4 x 2 in there, totally stiff, infinitely adjustable height, just trim it with the cross cut saw to the height you want, cheap at about $30, readily available from you local Bunnings or 'udson Timber.

Cheers

Gary

Chur mang, does sound tempting, but as it would be, the law doesnt permit me to do so :laugh:

I have seen people use blocks of timber they have cut up to fit with in their springs... *shakes head*

Also, was looking at Pedders or something similar all round, with those "air bags" that fit captured with

in the rear springs to give a better "tow ride".

But thought about it, coilovers on Aussie roads would need to be replaced/re-sleaved every 2x years.

So Im choosing this path.

Cheers

DCVNR32 Apprentice

DCVNR32

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If you go to a proper suspension shop preferably with a Bilstein specialist they can valve them to give you the qualities you want. BTW you know that an unbelievably stiff ride will give you crap handing?

Bilstein are abit overly priced for what I want/need.

Its not a circit runner, and far from some form European sports car.

So I'll leave the Bilsteins to track runners and time attack cars.

Coming from a drift background I love the harsh feel of the road and coilovers soften up

once their worn it. and If I didnt like it I could release the preload abit and Wa-la... all better:)

Chur

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Bilstein are abit overly priced for what I want/need.

Cheaper than Teins

Its not a circit runner, and far from some form European sports car.

So why are you looking at spring rates that are too high even for a track car?

So I'll leave the Bilsteins to track runners and time attack cars.

I have Bilsteins on my Stagea and I tow my race car with it, a good shock is a good shock no matter what you use it for.

Coming from a drift background I love the harsh feel of the road and coilovers soften up

No they don't, the spring rate is still the spring rate. You just get used to the harsh ride and don't notice it as much.

once their worn it. and If I didnt like it I could release the preload abit and Wa-la... all better:)

Not true, the spring rate is still the spring rate. A 6kg/mm spring always needs 6kg to compress it 1mm, no matter how much preload you put on it.

Chur mang, does sound tempting, but as it would be, the law doesnt permit me to do so

The law also doesn't allow you to have height adjustment. At least if you use the 4 x 2 you will have saved some money to pay the fines.

Cheers

Gary

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Cheaper than Teins

So why are you looking at spring rates that are too high even for a track car?

I have Bilsteins on my Stagea and I tow my race car with it, a good shock is a good shock no matter what you use it for.

No they don't, the spring rate is still the spring rate. You just get used to the harsh ride and don't notice it as much.

Not true, the spring rate is still the spring rate. A 6kg/mm spring always needs 6kg to compress it 1mm, no matter how much preload you put on it.

The law also doesn't allow you to have height adjustment. At least if you use the 4 x 2 you will have saved some money to pay the fines.

Cheers

Gary

Haha, way too much time on your hands mango :cool:

Different springs with different ratings are a dime a dozen, SOO... If I wish to do so....I will... just change them :blush:

Personaly preference BRO and 6kg springs, too high for a track car? Specify what TYPE of track car?

As I said, coming from a drift background, I along with hundreds of other people,

have used much HIGHER then 6kg springs.

People have used up and more then 22kg springs, grant it the strut towers needed to be seam welded when go higher.

The law DOES permit the Falcrum Tiens in QLD as they are re-sleeved to OZ spec/standards.

This has been fun, peace to you BRO :)

Sydneykid Grand Master

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Haha, way too much time on your hands mango :P

Nope, I just enjoy educating the unwashed :blush:

Different springs with different ratings are a dime a dozen, SOO... If I wish to do so....I will... just change them :)

How are you going to change the damper curves to match the spring changes? Simplistic adjustment only changes the rate of damping not the shape of the curve.

Personaly preference BRO and 6kg springs, too high for a track car? Specify what TYPE of track car?

Any kind of car running on road radials, they quite simply don't like effective spring rates much over that. Even using R type tyres doesn't extend that by much. Ever thought of asking a tyre engineer how much spring rate his tyres like? After all, the tyres are the most important item in handling, braking and accelerating.

As I said, coming from a drift background, I along with hundreds of other people, have used much HIGHER then 6kg springs.

Enough said, be a sheep if you like, it's your choice. But at least you should learn the alternatives.

People have used up and more then 22kg springs, grant it the strut towers needed to be seam welded when go higher.

Some people have no idea how suspension works. Ask youself why use that high a springs rate when the tyres don't like it and it's quite simply not necessary? Roll? That's controlled by the anti roll bars? Dive? That's controlled by the anti dive geometry. Squat? Controlled by the anti squat. Turn in? Caster. Tyre contact patch? Camber. Their are a lots of tools at your disposal instead of using a blunt instrument like spring rates.

The law DOES permit the Falcrum Tiens in QLD as they are re-sleeved to OZ spec/standards.

I assume you mean Fulcrum and revalving. Valving is irrelevant, the fact is it's illegal to run height adjustment on any car not fitted with it standard.

This has been fun, peace to you BRO :cool:

Absolutely we should do it more often, you actually might learn something.

Cheers

Gary

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