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GTR-N1 Grand Master

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Stroke is one of the 3 biggest killers in our society.

Worth a mention?

You betcha.

Firstly, it's good to take on board that there is

1) infarct stroke

2) haemorrhagic stroke

Lots of people take aspirin to prevent stroke > but that's infarct stroke where they are prone to thrombosis or blood clots (or DVT after airplane trips).

Aspirin essentially keeps the blood thin (aka lowers viscosity which is more easily understood on a car forum - lol)

But, aspirin will often cause damage to the lining of the gut and small intestine.

So is there another way for people who have relatives that are prone to this type of stroke?

The answer is Willow Bark - aka Nature's Aspirin.

It's safe to take on an empty tummy, because it only converts to aspirin after digestion > keeps the blood thinner.

Caution:- Willow Bark should not be used if you're a bleeder or are also taking Ginkgo Biloba or of course are prone to haemorrhagic stroke

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^ ^ Good Q.

Clotting time is lengthened. = inclination to bleed more unless the person has enough clotting factor #8, #12 and vitamin K

Just higher risk...

A situation occurred with my brother-in-law's mother who had liver cancer.

Her condition was operable, but the surgeons wouldn't attempt it unless her leg clots could be dissolved > Heparin drip to thin the blood.

I went visit her and was appalled at what she was eating from the hospital kitchen ie. Tomato soup + Tomatoes for dinner > have clottimg agents.

Great example of 'the left hand not knowing what the right was doing' > I reported it > nursing staff said they'd tell the doctors > she died before they could operate.

Blood clots in the leg can move up to the lungs or the heart or the brain.

xALmoN Grand Master

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Blood clots in the leg can move up to the lungs or the heart or the brain.

like how DVT works?

So, aspirin thins the blood slightly? But it also ravages the stomach, like any other NSAID i guess. When i was on diclofenac, i had massive gastric pains. But is it also true that all NSAIDs thin the blood? Or is it only aspirin.

And i never knew tomatoes helped with blood clotting, so those without enough blood clotting factor should feast on tomatoes maybe?

And is aspirin salicylic acid or methyl salicylate, and is there a difference? Chemically they are different, the acid group is now an ether group with a CH3 at the end. Or is salicylate changed into methyl salicylate in the body anyway?

And since we're talking about stroke here, and hypertension greatly increases the risk of stroke, are there any foods one can take to bring down the blood pressure? I'm sure a thinner blood would reduce blood pressure significantly, as pressure increases as viscosity increases.

So, more gingko then?

GTR-N1 Grand Master

GTR-N1

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Deep Vein Thrombosis can be more prevalent in women who've used the contraceptive Pill but there are other causes (eg genetic) that doctors know about far more than I.

I was only using aspirin as an example of a drug that is used to prevent stroke by reducing the viscosity of blood. But yes, Non-steroidal antiinflammatory drugs like Nurofen can abrade the lining of parts of your alimentary system like aspirin does and they do thin the blood too. Mostly they're used for analgesia though.

Tomatoes, broccoli and many deep green vegies have clotting factors. These shouldn't be given to those in hospital on strong anticoagulants; otherwise it's like taking 5 steps forward and 1 backwards again.

Aspirin is salicylic acid. Willow Bark after digestion changes into salicylic acid. Methyl salicylate is also one of the salicylate group of compounds but also know as Oil of Wintergreen, it is used as a liniment by application onto the skin - and not for ingestion. Yes it does have an antiinflammatory effect and reduces surface bruising a little. Hirudoid Ointment is better for bruising though.

Foods that encourage hypotension (aka low blood pressure) include

Fish - Bonito, Mackerel, Tuna, Sardine

Fruit - Banana, Cranberry, Pomegranate

Grains - Oats

Mushrooms - Maitake, Oyster, Shiitake, Reiishi

Vegetables - Onion, Garlic, Celery

Oils - Olive, Sesame, Fish Oil

Ginkgo Biloba increases peripheral blood flow to the cranium, penile area, capillaries and feet. It can reduce blood pressure by easing Left Ventricular Hypertrophy

xALmoN Grand Master

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So, methyl salicylate is for topical applications only.

Ah, and thanks for the natural sources, my dad's hypertensive, and that means an increased risk of stroke. So will pass on this information to him, and also me, since hypertension is prolly genetic. I might get it too.

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Bit late Terry, lol :P

I'm a testament to there being no way to truly prevent it, I was healthy as f**k :( Though yes, I can definitely agree 1000000% that a topic like this needs to be considered by anyone and everyone, as having a stroke was seriously f**ked - I'm only lucky I was so young and recovered like it never happened. Older folks are the ones who needs to be concerned.

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GTR-N1 Grand Master

GTR-N1

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Bit late Terry, lol :P

. Older folks are the ones who needs to be concerned.

Concerned? What? Wait until a time bomb hits?

oceantide24 is right > stroke is the 3rd biggest killer after heart disease and cancer unless there's a pandemic spike.

So if one's ancestors have a propensity for stroke it'll pay to get a hematology test done after 30.

Might as well use Medicare for preventative health purposes, rather than after 'the horse has bolted'!

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Concerned? What? Wait until a time bomb hits?

oceantide24 is right > stroke is the 3rd biggest killer after heart disease and cancer unless there's a pandemic spike.

So if one's ancestors have a propensity for stroke it'll pay to get a hematology test done after 30.

Might as well use Medicare for preventative health purposes, rather than after 'the horse has bolted'!

I wasn't even sure what oceantide24 was saying to be honest...lol

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