Calling all audiophiles

[luke gtr]

Hi, just wondering if there are any other audio enthusiasts here?

I've been going through a phase recently,  upgraded speakers, amp, got a nice pair of headphones and now chasing a nice pair of IEMs.

Pic of my current speakers.

DALI euphonia ms5 and cs4.

Driven by NAD masters m17v2 pre pro and m27 amp.

Will eventually be home theatre and stereo music listening set up.

[GTSBoy]

I'm a frustrated audiophile. My "listening room" is also the big TV/movie room. So the stereo speakers are also the front pair for the surround. They are Ascension Summoners, by Adelaide Speakers.

The guy who runs Adelaide Speakers designed and built for a couple of the renowned speaker manufacturers that were based in SA back in the day.

The centre channel ends up looking a lot like yours. It's the same driver setup as this type

But I got him to put them into a sideways oriented cab the same size as the side/rears I got.

The fronts are flat down to ~20Hz, so I don't have a sub.

This is all driven by a very high end Pioneer receiver - so nice but nothing special. And worse, because the fronts can draw so much power at high volume levels, the bloody amp goes into self protection and shuts down if you turn it up too high. 8 ohm nominal can easily mean 6 and modern consumer oriented amplifiers are not as well reinforced on the supply side as they could be. I keep meaning to do something about it, but somewhat like my earlier obsession with DSLRs and Lenvy, I actively resisted dropping more money in there until the urge decreased.

If I keep listening to music at really high volume levels I'll just cut more notches in my hearing anyway. They one at 6kHz is bad enough - I need to behave myself now.

[Dose Pipe Sutututu]

Mine is boring, have a pair of Mission 701 8" book shelves, hidden behind a 3m wide entertainment unit away from the kids, matching centre with rear Mission LX3 with 1x tweeter punched in already.

Sub (now with a blown amp) was something I built about 15 years ago. Has 1x Dayton 10" HF driver and 1x 500W O-Audio plate amp, enclosed in a 90L ported enclosure tuned to about 25hz. Goes pretty loud and you do get mild chest compressions but not enough.

Have updated the receiver since, I now run a Yamaha RX-V6A just purely for all the integration and shit with streaming services and e-ARC.

 

I do want to get this:

https://www.selby.com.au/price-promise/tonewinner-sw-d6000-subwoofer.html

 

Realistically without a potential divorce, this is better:

https://www.selby.com.au/price-promise/tonewinner-sw-d4000-subwoofer.html

 

[luke gtr]

Sorry for not replying sooner, I wanted the time to read the post details properly, rather than just skimming them.

[luke gtr]

On 22/10/2024 at 2:17 PM, GTSBoy said:

I'm a frustrated audiophile. My "listening room" is also the big TV/movie room. So the stereo speakers are also the front pair for the surround. They are Ascension Summoners, by Adelaide Speakers.

The guy who runs Adelaide Speakers designed and built for a couple of the renowned speaker manufacturers that were based in SA back in the day.

The centre channel ends up looking a lot like yours. It's the same driver setup as this type

But I got him to put them into a sideways oriented cab the same size as the side/rears I got.

The fronts are flat down to ~20Hz, so I don't have a sub.

This is all driven by a very high end Pioneer receiver - so nice but nothing special. And worse, because the fronts can draw so much power at high volume levels, the bloody amp goes into self protection and shuts down if you turn it up too high. 8 ohm nominal can easily mean 6 and modern consumer oriented amplifiers are not as well reinforced on the supply side as they could be. I keep meaning to do something about it, but somewhat like my earlier obsession with DSLRs and Lenvy, I actively resisted dropping more money in there until the urge decreased.

If I keep listening to music at really high volume levels I'll just cut more notches in my hearing anyway. They one at 6kHz is bad enough - I need to behave myself now.

As I'm sure you can tell by my set up, it's also a HT cross over.

And while the Speakers are fantastic without a sub, it does help with HT duties. Probably need a better quality sub for musical duties to get cleaner bass.

Odd that your receiver cuts out. Is it only rated for 8ohm?

There are a lot of speakers that are below that.

Look at onkyo receivers. Had one connected to the concept series(black speakers) and is rsted for 6ohm.

New speakers are 4ohm with dips to 3, so needed to update.

[luke gtr]

On 22/10/2024 at 4:48 PM, Dose Pipe Sutututu said:

Mine is boring, have a pair of Mission 701 8" book shelves, hidden behind a 3m wide entertainment unit away from the kids, matching centre with rear Mission LX3 with 1x tweeter punched in already.

Sub (now with a blown amp) was something I built about 15 years ago. Has 1x Dayton 10" HF driver and 1x 500W O-Audio plate amp, enclosed in a 90L ported enclosure tuned to about 25hz. Goes pretty loud and you do get mild chest compressions but not enough.

Have updated the receiver since, I now run a Yamaha RX-V6A just purely for all the integration and shit with streaming services and e-ARC.

 

I do want to get this:

https://www.selby.com.au/price-promise/tonewinner-sw-d6000-subwoofer.html

 

Realistically without a potential divorce, this is better:

https://www.selby.com.au/price-promise/tonewinner-sw-d4000-subwoofer.html

 

Not necessarily boring.

Do you have pics?

And have you thought of just buying a new plate amp for your sub?

Those sw units look very similar to svs units.

[GTSBoy]

51 minutes ago, luke gtr said:

Odd that your receiver cuts out. Is it only rated for 8ohm?

Nah, yeah, nah. Speakers have a nominal impedance of 8 ohm that looks more like 6.4 ohm when measured. The receiver's amplifiers (all channels) are all rated to 6 ohm (I think, it's been a long time since I cared). The real problem is that many modern class D amps have aggressive protection circuitry that cuts off the fun if they think too much current is being drawn. And with my speakers having series crossovers, as opposed to more typical parallel crossovers, and big TL enclosures, they can certainly dip down to lower impedances at some frequencies and that easily triggers the protection. Pioneer receivers are somewhat famous for it, but even Denon, Onkyo, et al, all have many complaints against them across various models.

It only does it when listening to music at high levels. You have to be putting your ears at risk to do it. But sometimes I want to do that.

If I was serious about using it as a listening room I'd simply upgrade the amp for the front pair to a nice Rotel or something, and just use the receiver for signal handling and processing - although that would be a bit of a pain in the arse too. Have to switch on more shit, pre-amp volume vs main amp volume, etc etc.

[luke gtr]

1 hour ago, GTSBoy said:

 

If I was serious about using it as a listening room I'd simply upgrade the amp for the front pair to a nice Rotel or something, and just use the receiver for signal handling and processing - although that would be a bit of a pain in the arse too. Have to switch on more shit, pre-amp volume vs main amp volume, etc etc.

With my pre/power I use a remote trigger cable(3.5mm jack each end).

I turn tv on, it turns both on via ARC.

Or, just the pre with the remote or its streaming software, turns on both.

Not that difficult at all.

Obviously,  you would also want to actually update/upgrade over other factors in your life(bills, family, other hobbies, etc)

[Dose Pipe Sutututu]

4 hours ago, luke gtr said:

Not necessarily boring.

Do you have pics?

And have you thought of just buying a new plate amp for your sub?

Those sw units look very similar to svs units.

I'll snap up some photos when I'm back home, in the office today meeting my "in the office" quota.

Have 2x Teams calls scheduled in, office culture they reckon.

 

I've never owned a proper off the shelf sub, I've always made or modified broken ones with Jaycar plate amps and/or car subwoofer drivers.

The current (and broken) subwoofer has a proper home driver in it, Dayton driver, thos one

https://www.daytonaudio.com/product/118/rss265hf-4-10-reference-hf-subwoofer-4-ohm

FS of 25Hz, which is low but not low enough.

Yeah, I think they were brought out to the market to compete with SVS. I would love a SVS PB-3000 but they're not cheap, especially after their price hike.

From reviews online, it does look like the Tonewinner D6000 would destroy and with good amount of money saved too.

[GTSBoy]

I'll just leave this here.

https://www.adelaidespeakers.com/subwoofers.html

TL loading, big power. They sound awesome. This is what I would buy if I was going to try to take the bass away from my floorstanders. Just go with the 12".

[Dose Pipe Sutututu]

19 minutes ago, GTSBoy said:

I'll just leave this here.

https://www.adelaidespeakers.com/subwoofers.html

TL loading, big power. They sound awesome. This is what I would buy if I was going to try to take the bass away from my floorstanders. Just go with the 12".

-6dB at 22Hz isn't that great, watch the data from the D6000 from REW

[GTSBoy]

Granted, which is a solid reason why I don't have one. My floorstanders are only -2 dB at 22 Hz.  So they're still working down to <20 Hz. Which is no doubt part of the reason why my receiver shits the bed!

That Tonewinner would be about double the cost though, so it's not apples and apples. There aren't many AU$1300 subs (that you can buy prebuilt, I'm ignoring what can be achieved by DIYing) that compete.

[Dose Pipe Sutututu]

15 minutes ago, GTSBoy said:

That Tonewinner would be about double the cost though, so it's not apples and apples. There aren't many AU$1300 subs (that you can buy prebuilt, I'm ignoring what can be achieved by DIYing) that compete.

Surprisingly the D6000 is only $1999, I'm waiting for the BF/CM sales, and hoping to get one cheaper.

D4000 is well priced, still outperforms the 13" SVS PB-3000 and is like 1/2 the price at $1699 RRP.

I do watch a fair amount of movies, and listen to EDM, jazz, symphonies, etc. so the lower notes from a subwoofer are always appreciated. The front 8" stage, just doesn't provide you with lively feeling, even though they are pretty bassy for a pair of large bookshelves.

Then again, these days it's just playing Wiggles, Blippi and Ms Rachel, another reason the 3m wide cabinet exists, to hide all the audio gear behind it. They used to sit on a nice pair of stands, but as you know, they make good baby traps too.

[luke gtr]

8 hours ago, Dose Pipe Sutututu said:

 

I've never owned a proper off the shelf sub, I've always made or modified broken ones with Jaycar plate amps and/or car subwoofer drivers.

The current (and broken) subwoofer has a proper home driver in it, Dayton driver, thos one

https://www.daytonaudio.com/product/118/rss265hf-4-10-reference-hf-subwoofer-4-ohm

FS of 25Hz, which is low but not low enough.

 

https://www.redgumaudio.com/product/rgsw8-amplifier-plate/

 

these guys are closing down.
and probably pretty exxy.
but, worth asking the question???

[luke gtr]

personally, ive been looking at rel s510.
theres a guy near newcastle that has a pair at a decent price(compared to retail).

have heard some pretty good things.

[Dose Pipe Sutututu]

13 hours ago, luke gtr said:

Do you have pics?

You can see the speakers laid flat (instead of sitting upright). Apparently sound travels a bit better through this mesh than others, but I did have to max out the treble to nearly make them sound like prior when they were on stands.

I also made the cabinet shelves taller, to accommodate a future Emotiva power amp for imaginary nice floor standing speakers I don't have at the moment lol.

And yes, most of the mesh has been pushed it and all warped.

[luke gtr]

Clean set up.

Do you notice any impact with the doors sitting out in front?

(If/when you get time to listen)

[Dose Pipe Sutututu]

And these are the fronts I'm using, they don't look like much but performer better than the previous Tannoy MX3 and the Wharfdale Modus 5.

[Dose Pipe Sutututu]

44 minutes ago, luke gtr said:

https://www.redgumaudio.com/product/rgsw8-amplifier-plate/

 

these guys are closing down.
and probably pretty exxy.
but, worth asking the question???

Might as well just upgrade to a Tonewinner D6000... I think if it goes down to $1.5 to $1.6k I'm going to do it... Will work out which part of the couch I'm allowed to sleep on once I'm banned from the bedroom.

 

43 minutes ago, luke gtr said:

personally, ive been looking at rel s510.
theres a guy near newcastle that has a pair at a decent price(compared to retail).

have heard some pretty good things.

Same, however technology changes and these days those once amazing subs are just mediocre compared to a SVS, Velodyne and now (apparently) Tonewinner.

 

36 minutes ago, luke gtr said:

Clean set up.

Do you notice any impact with the doors sitting out in front?

(If/when you get time to listen)

They're always closed, treble performance drops and I notice the speakers fall off axis quite easily.

Compromise right? I ran the room calibration with the door closed etc. and you could tell the room EQ correction slapped on more mid and treble. With Yamaha's YPAO, you can't see what has been applied to the EQ with correction applied, where as the older Audessey it showed you the post correction EQ.

[luke gtr]

21 minutes ago, Dose Pipe Sutututu said:

Same, however technology changes and these days those once amazing subs are just mediocre compared to a SVS, Velodyne and now (apparently) Tonewinner.

There is an svs pb13 ultra on fb marketplace that I've been watching.

Might have to actually try and hear some in the flesh.

Same guy with the rel's also has a matching sub to my lcr speakers.

Updated drivers, but isn't cheap.