How to change lifters?

[BenA31]

Well for the last few weeks recently i've been getting alot of ticking from my motor, espec when cold. Took it to my local mechanic who confirmed my suspision that the lifters were buggered, or possibly something else in the head.

Well anyway i've now got myself some more lifters and just curious of the process to replace/ change them over????

i know i gotta remove the rocker covers, then those upside down hoop things with the bolts in them, (can't remember name of them). From that take the old lifters out? bleed new ones? (using wire or somethign in bucket of oil?) and put them in and everythign else back together and thats it? or is there more???

if someones done this before, some help and advice would be much appreciated.

cheers

Ben

[BenA31]

oh and btw how do ya test which ones are buggered?, i got a feeling the noise if from the front of the motor, so do i replace all towards the front or what?..........its also for a RB20DET. forgot to mention this.....

[gtst25]

I haven't done this but you'll have to remove the camshafts which means timing belt, harmonic balancer etc.

Pretty big job.

Am thinking about doing this myself one day soon too so have looked into it a fair bit.

Might be worth trying an engine flush before you pull it to bits.

What oil are you using? Sometimes when you change brands you get lifter noises until you've done a few oil changes.

Just wondering where you got the new lifters and for how much?

Good luck anyway!

[BenA31]

yeah it is actually a pretty big task. just spoke to my mate who knows a fair bit about mechanics. basically harmonic balancer, timing belt, cams all need to be removed. which in that case cos the difficulty getting the harmonic balancer off, its easier to remove the radiator aswel. so yeah u were right on that gtst25.

hmm i'm just summing up if i want to tackle the task with my mates or take it to a workshop.

well i've done a engine oil flush already which made a small difference awhile back and also put alot thicker oil in, but now have decieded just to replace them. Actually found a ripper deal and got a near bare head with all 24 good condition lifters still in it. Thanks Meggala!! Was gonna get new ones till i found out the price of them.

[SKY031]

If you were wanting to change the cams, now is probaly a good time to do it.

[NewKleer]

i was also looking into cleaning (well seeing if i can clean them, would only change them if i know which ones are the noisy ones) my lifters sometime over the summer. but just recently the engine developed a noisier rattle, it may be lifters (just really loud) or might be something else? ive had noisy lifters for a while.

heres a recording of the sound. the lifter noise at idle is just a tad too soft to clearly hear, but this other noise is there.

http://users.bigpond.net.au/newkleer/engineshort.mp3 (400kb, or engine.mp3 (720kb) for longer version)

any idea what it could be?

thanks in advance

[Trust33]

Dude my gemini mad that sound and i never got it fixed in the end the motor shut down...I dont know exactly what it is...The initial sound is all rb on startup but that sound on rev is exreemly sus to me.

Is that a gudjon pin sound.

[Trust33]

Dude my gemini had that sound and i never got it fixed in the end the motor shut down...I dont know exactly what it is...The initial sound is all rb on startup but that sound on rev is exreemly sus to me.

Is that a gudjon pin sound anyone.Or a conrod pin loosening.

[BenA31]

the more i listen to that sound file NewKleer, it does sound a tad different to the noise i'm getting on my car although hard to tell via a sound file.

[BenA31]

well an update on my situation........lifters were actualy fine. found out it was my piston in cylinder number 1. looks like i'll be getting a rb25 after all now.....hmm just gotta start saving

[NewKleer]

sorry to hear. hoping my engine doesnt have the same fate!

will hopefull have time on/after the weekend to take the rocket covers off and see if anything is obviously damaged.

how did u determine it was a cylinder? (would a compression test work? might be able to get my brother to bring home a kit from work to test over weekend) or more specifically, how did u determine it wasnt the lifters?

[BenA31]

to tell the truth, i took the car to the mechanics to get another set of lifters put in, although i asked for them to double check it was actually the lifters before they start pulling things apart, and anyway to cut it short, an hour later of friggen (i wasn't there so dunno what tests they ran, but i'm guessin compression test would be a start, plus some sorta thing to see where sound is coming from, eg block of wood or one of those tethascope things that docs have) they determined it was coming from cylinder one and defenitly in the block which they believe is a problem with the piston in cycliner one. They never actually got around to looking at the lifters afterall cept that the noise wasn't coming from them so must be alright.

[Trust33]

sounds like a gudjon pin.Let us know what it is.

[BenA31]

sounds like a gudjon pin.Let us know what it is.

whats a gudjon pin? i've heard of it a few times but got no idea where or what it does....

yeah well i was actually trying to sell car b4 this problem arose, so i'll see how it pans out otherwise i'll be keeping it as a project car and rip the motor out at end of november at which time i'll have a look for this gudjon pin then...hmmm

[NewKleer]

a gudgeon pin connects the piston to the conrod