The real hoons

[ix9]

So your saying that we can dob in anybody we like and they will get an infringement for it. All ive gotta do is find some fresh burnout marks, the plate of somebody i dont like and make a phone call. Well thats just great.

It doesn't work like that, he probably said "Yeah, i did it" in court, even when the police had no proof. Dickhead. First rule is admit nothing.

If it worked that way, I would have been to court 3 times, all due to incorrectly being accused (custom plates suck) of doing burnouts, reckless driving, and harrassment. Seems that I had a twin in Rockingham with exactly the same rims and it being white also that loves to do burnouts and harass other road users. Fckhead.

2 of these events allegedly happened in Rockingham during work hours when I was at work 60km's away in Perth!

Either way every time they came to my house I denied it, and that was the end of it. They have no proof, and I was innocent anyway.

[Boostzor]

What I can't understand is how they can confiscate your car without having the whole process going to court? If your arrested for Dangerous Driving then you have your day in court to explain to a judge, and it is they who make a decision on what punishment to deliver. This way they are making police the judge, jury and exercuitioner all in one, which I think is way above there rights.

What happens if I refuse to give my keys to the Police? Will they arrest me and then I get my day in court?

yeh, seems these days you'd almost be better off socking the cop in the jaw, lesser offense.

Seems that our rights as citizens are going backwards, i think the reason they dont put it to court is because it would clog the system with the amount of infringments being handed out. Whats it up to now? over 200 confiscated i think.

Soem interesting reading material if you have the time. http://www.parliament.sa.gov.au/catalog/ha...wh170205.ha.htm

[Brazen]

Hi guys - I can give you a brief rundown on a few of the things being debated - I work in youth services and last week had all this stuff clarified with senior police...

Hoon Law (currently): Must be witnessed (visually) in person by a police officer.

Hoon Law (amendment currently going before parliament): Either witnessed by police officer, or the same incident reported by two seperate members of the public (ie you cant be done for a burnout one night seen by 1 person and same thing next night - has to be same burnout witnessed by 2 diff people).

General infringements: Witnessed by police officer, or reported by a member of the public who is prepared to attend court IN PERSON and testify (statement not enough). So they can come around and issue an infringement based upon a report (although I was told unlikely to bother if the reporter says they wont go to court), but if you challenge it in court - without the witness in attendance at court in person it cannot be upheld. Same actually goes for any fine issued by a police officer - lots of people get off simply by electing to go to court, and the particular police officer who laid the charge couldnt make it to court = fine cancelled).

[Steve]

Interesting point there, I got off a traffic infringement years ago, as I told the officer he was wrong and I was willing to go to court. It was for going through a stop sign, he said I didnt stop. His partner had his back to me at the time and it was his word against mine, therefore insufficient proof??? not sure but bottom line was I didnt end up getting the fine.

Interesting point being brought up here. With criminal law, you are innocent until proven guilty, with the road traffic act, you are guilty until you prove yourself innocent, be it being issued a fine or having your car defected and now, having your car confiscated too. Pretty handy really, if 'hooning' was a criminal offence, it would be a whole different story.

Its interesting that they can use (or want to use) two peoples word against another to be done for hooning. Would make life interesting if two people had a grudge against another.

[Boostzor]

Is it an offense to threaten to kill or do personal injury to someone who is testifying against you?

[caminperth]

Brazen - thanks for the info. Interesting..

Boost - yea sorta man..

[Bazelinez]

what about if only one, not two people witness the SAME killing? Do I still keep my gun or is it auctioned off with my line Yakuza style?