ideas on cooler piping

[lowlux]

some of u might know that ive had a cooler sitting in my room for like 2 months now,so im finally putting it in, the pipeing is 1/2 done,but im kinda waiting a few more days as im waiting for a turbo, anyways heres a pic of what im doing, does any1 think this is a better idea than the usual way or what?

personally i dont think theres much difference as the japs have been doing the throttlebody pipe going the long way around the engine for ages

anyways heres some pics

http://home.iprimus.com.au/pdg/intercooler...er%20piping.jpg

http://home.iprimus.com.au/pdg/intercooler...0piping%202.jpg

http://home.iprimus.com.au/pdg/intercooler...0piping%203.jpg

[meggala]

yeah I can see a problem you have the pipes going the wrong way the pipe from the turbo goes the shortest route to the cooler

and the intake piping goes from the other side

this is boostmeister piping I think it is effective adn the runs are very short .

there are aother ways as well would you like to see them

meggala

[meggala]

over all it would probably save around 6 feet of travel.

boosty used mandrel bends I think an just took it easy your work manship is great

meggala

[lowlux]

im doing it the normal way now as the pipes where they go from the turbo and the J pipe are too close,soo ill just do it the normal way and get some exaust wrap to put it around the pipeing that sits infront of the engine this pipeing was PISS easy as i had no cutting at all and has so far cost me 90 bucks

[lowlux]

oh and i love that carbon fibre air box,thats cool.

actually the way yourve done the piping there is the same as the r31 GTS-R they raced in bathurst

[meggala]

htats why he did it that way if fred gibson does it there must be a reason

[lowlux]

well the plenum will be on after my ecu so the pipeing will be REALLY short

thats why i only bothered with the steel pipeing

[lowlux]

actually i want to take my cover off the timing belt,but then u have to space it out for the crank angle sensor, did u just cut out the plastic cover,or did u make 1

[meggala]

have a look at this

[franks]

my HKS fmic setup.

uses the oem pipes from the engine bay up.

pipe from turbo is the shorter pipe.

another interesting way, similar to yours is the kit from DNA.

[Hicks]

I got mine set up the same way as frank's. Not as much pipe sitting in front of the engine. The pipe on top goin into the inlet gets hot enough.

[GTS-t VSPEC]

A mate of mine has had the factory GTS-t plenum cut, and the throttle body added to the end, so that the intercooler pipes no longer need to go over the engine. It is an extremely neat job, looking like it came out of the factory. Although it would cost a bit more than than running the pipes over the engine it is a much neater and more efficient design.

Just my opinion though.

See'ya:burnout:

[Merli]

Originally posted by GTS-t VSPEC

A mate of mine has had the factory GTS-t plenum cut, and the throttle body added to the end, so that the intercooler pipes no longer need to go over the engine. It is an extremely neat job, looking like it came out of the factory. Although it would cost a bit more than than running the pipes over the engine it is a much neater and more efficient design.

Just my opinion though.

See'ya:burnout:

To be completely blunt, and to risk being called "arrogant", that's the worst idea EVER.

The stock inlet plenum has baffles and air deflectors inside the plenum chamber to distribute air flow evenly to all 6 cylinders. These baffles and deflectors are designed for a side intrustion design, and if you weld that shut and move the air entrance to one end of the plenum, you'll completely disrupt the airflow characteristics of the plenum chamber, and risk having a few cylinders run rich, and worse, a few cylinders run LEAN!

To be honest, I know a few people who have done this modification, and it *seems* to work okay, but I sure as HELL wouldn't consider doing that on my car.

Invest in a proper plenum chamber, or live with another ~80cm of piping IMHO.

[Guest DON91E]

:uh-huh: Yup what Merli said is 110% correct.

I looked into this b4 and came to the same conclusion, do it properly or don't do it @ all.

Donnie

[GTS-t VSPEC]

I agree with you Merli, I have a Greddy plenum, but it costs $1600, and I know most people don't have that sort of money. I agree that the airflow disruption could be bad, but probably no worse than heating the air by going back over the engine like the normal GTS-t design. Don't think its the worst idea ever, the guy is making 300rwhp.

I only added it as another suggestion, not one for us with the money to do it properly. Don't worry I don't think your arrogant, I will only do it to my car if it is the best way, but that usually means expensive.

The do it properly or not at all is probably a little on the harsh side for those people without the money to spend on there cars, there are a number of techniques that can improve the power cheaply, but aren't necessarily the best way.

There are alot of people starting to make custom plenums for Skylines, I know of 3 people in Perth who's designs are excellant, it not cheap but definately cheaper than the Jap ones.

See'ya :burnout:

[Hicks]

Hey VSPEC, Who are these people you speak of??

[GTS-t VSPEC]

Hicks,

Remember you don't have any money, new clutch ring any bells? I'll get some pics of the plenums and post them in the WA thread along with the price, OK.

See'ya:burnout:

[Merli]

Originally posted by GTS-t VSPEC

The do it properly or not at all is probably a little on the harsh side

Not really, as there is nothing really wrong with having the piping go over the top of the radiator, like most Japanese kits.

I haven't done any testing, but I would assume intake temps would only pick up a few degrees extra heat by passing over in this fashion...

If you wanted to goto extremes and relocate the throttle body, you would be chasing extreme horsepower (if not, that money would be better spent elsewhere).. and since you are chasing extreme horsepower, you will most probably be spending big on other parts of your engine, so it would make sense to do everything properly, and not do cut and shut jobs.

GReddy plenum is $1300 from Japan, and locally made ones can be found for less than $1000. Still a lot of money, yes, but as I said before, when chasing extreme horsepower, $1000-$1300 isn't a lot in the big scheme of things...

[Hicks]

Cheers, merli.

[Hicks]

Originally posted by GTS-t VSPEC

Hicks,  

Remember you don't have any money, new clutch ring any bells?

I'll go hang out round there shop like I did x-speed untill they really dis like me.