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I am happy to admit that I did not check all of the pei website regarding phones. My comment about events not being well documented was meant to reflect that there has been continuing doubt about them. I have been aware of this discussion and these doubts for several years. Also I agree that the likelihood of a mobile phone being the ignition source in any incident is low. It is probable that many of the incidents attributed to phones were caused by other, higher energy, ignition sources, with static being the most likely. I also agree the "tell all your friends" line is a classic sign of an internet fake, but a similar line is occasionally used in official safety notices which affect people outside work. I took the source from which I received this to be sufficient proof of its authenticity. I will check back with them. Meanwhile, the environment in a refinery only differs in relation to the likelihood of a flammable gas cloud being present. In a refinery there are many potential leak sources (and I have walked through plenty myself), although the frequency for any one of them leaking is low. The majority of leaks would produce a flammable cloud. In a service station, there will always be hydrocarbon vapours present when a car is being filled. In most instances, the concentration of these will be outside the flammable limits, but in some conditions a flammable cloud clearly can develop. Apart from the risk arising from a cloud being ignited, a key difference between refinery and service station is in the degree to which these hazards are identified and managed. As for gullible idiots in large companies, I shall make sure I enquire with my colleague and check how he ranks on this scale. If I find that he ranks pretty high and that I have proved to be as gullible as him, you can rest assured that you, and all of your friends and family, will be the first to know.

Take it as you like it, mate. I got this note through the Shell organisation, so I am reasonably confident of its authenticity. There have been a number of reports of mobile phones causing fires at fuel stations over the last three or four years, which has caused much discussion in my profession, partly because it was not well documented. I only sent this one on because it was from a reliable source and gave more definite information on the subject. Have you considered that this info was issued since the last update to the pei.org website? There is no doubt that there is a flammable cloud created when refuelling - as evidenced by the discussion of ignition from static. The only point at issue then is whether a mobile phone creates enough energy to ignite the cloud. Are you so confident that the info about the phones is dodgy that you will ignore the advice? You certainly would not be allowed to take a mobile phone into a refinery or similar site, because they are not intrinsically safe. As for your other comment, my sides are still aching from the mirth induced. Cheers.

Follow the link in the note attached above for a load more info. This shows it is all pukka. Scary stuff! Cheers.

NOTE: Title changed in response to overwhelming demand!! Hi, everyone. I work in the oil industry in Occupational Health & Safety. I just received the attached note regarding fires being caused at service stations by mobile phones and by static from people getting in and out of cars. The fire occurs because a flammable cloud of fuel vapour is created around the filler nozzle as you fill up. Any source of ignition will then cause the cloud to ignite and it may flash back into the fuel tank of the car. The "flash fire" of the cloud will burn anything within it - which means you, standing there next to the nozzle. Sources of ignition could include: any mobile phone that goes off - even in your pocket - or someone tries to use! any idiot who decides to have a smoke or who has got out of their car with a cigarrette stuck in their mouth (including anyone walking past you!) static electricity caused by you getting out of the car and discharging when you touch the car body or the fuel pump or even the pump dispenser nozzle. Fuel stations in Australia do not have pump dispenser nozzles that can be locked, due to regulation. (But some smart buggers stick their car filler cap in the handle to jam it open. Don't do this! The reason that there is no lock is to stop the flow of fuel if anything happens and you let go!) So the problem with going back in the car with the fuel flowing should not be too likely here, but I have seen people go back in the car half way through the fill up, leaving the hose dispenser nozzle in the car - even though it isn't flowing, the fuel tank is open and the fuel vapours are still present. So take care! I know I will make sure that my phone is not in my pocket - I don't fancy serious burns to the legs and groin!!!!!!! This is definitely an area where public education is lacking. Tell your friends and family - and this is not one of those internet scams. As a safety professional, I have seen a number of reports of this type of incident. Cheers.

You might not have noticed, but what tends to happen on these forums is that the discussion develops from the question first raised. Also, as your question implies quite clearly consideration of removing a cat, the thread has discussed the merits or otherwise of that move. Also, I was not specific with regards to who was boasting about not having a cat. I did not accuse you of it. These is another contributor to the thread who was - hence my point. As for your personal observations, given the context of your first comment, I think you should consider carefully your own ability to pass judgment on maturity. Perhaps if you were to take part in the debate you have started, rather than ignore it, then others would refrain from throwing brickbats (and their contribution could be improved too). Cheers.

Erm ....... I seem to remember some espousal of virtues about this forum and the SAU WA club to promote responsible use of modified and high performance imports. I'm with R34: Really guys, there have been plenty of threads in the last 18 months talking about abusing the privileges that we all enjoy (i.e. the right to drive a high performance import) and what that abuse will bring about. So a load of you half my age have just groaned and gone "WTF!". Well, if you can't handle it, that's tough. There are plenty of mods that are on the margin, but taking your cat off is just crap. Changes to intakes and the like make a marginal difference in emissions and adding a SAFC or similar actually improves them. Taking your cat off makes your emissions a hundred times worse. Boasting about it just shows you need a bit more time in the nursery before you're allowed out to play with the adults. This forum is about responsible use, so if you demonstrate irresponsibility, don't be surprised if you take some flak! Don't forget this is a pulic forum and you are handing propaganda to those who would regulate us to death. This is just as bad as that crap about the dickheads cutting up an oval, a while back. Jeez, guys, get some perspective! Cheers.

Sorry, mate. I realise that what I wrote was ambiguous. Forget all about the carbon one from Garage Defend - too expensive for me (and probably would not fit a R33 Series II!). What I meant was: Can you make a full width version of the metal one you are currently offering? If so, how much would you want for one? Cheers.

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Hi guys. I have been looking for one of these for a while and prefer the full width one, as mentioned by Benm. I have found that Garage Defend offer one in carbon fibre - you can get it from Greenline, but it is hellish expensive at about AUD $380. I have attached a piccie of it. Note that this is for a GTST M spec - so may not fit a Series II, which is what I have. None of the other makes, Border Racing, Cusco, ARC, are available for a GTST. Signal Racing do something (not reading Japanese doesn't help!), but have not been able to find out if it is right for a GTST (can't find the link right now!). Boosted Zed: I would be interested in a price for a full width version (like Benm)for a Series II R33 GTST, if it is worth your while going to the trouble of pricing it (I understand it may not be!). If this is not possible, I will probably take one of the standard ones. Can't really go wrong for $40! Cheers.

Hi. I forwarded this message to my colleagues with the following note: "If you are into making futile gestures, this might be for you. As I was not going to buy petrol tomorrow, I will now have to make a point of not buying any, so that someone will notice(!). Methinks that this is based on a common lack of understanding of the international oil market, the ability of the Australian Government to do anything about it and the general view that the oil companies are nasty, capitalist enterprises. Quite how the economics of this protest is supposed to work seems a bit ropey to me, but then it sounds good, doesn't it! I shall also register my protest by putting my fingers in my ears and humming whenever I hear someone on the radio trying to explain the oil prices to me. That'll show 'em!" It's all a load of bolleaux, IMHO. Also, just to be more pedantic than usual (!!), the petrochemical industry indeed make plastics, etc, but they don't refine oil. The Petroleum Refining Industry does that. Many of them come under the same holding company, but they are very separate businesses. Petrochemicals is but one small bit of industry that is downstream of the oil industry - and it is way, way downstream. If you want to make a difference, lobby the government and your MP to urge the US to change its policy on Israel and the Palestinians. Oh, but don't expect it to change the price of fuel at the pump too soon. Meanwhile, the underlying trend of fuel prices is inevitably up. The known oil reserves are dwindling and the cost of development of any new fields versus their size is going up. So enjoy your gas guzzling monsters while you can. Cheers.

Hi. You may not have read all of the replies to the thread that you started on this topic last month, two.061, but BP Ultimate is a refined 98 octane product. I suggest you review the thread, which covers all of this in detail, including the fact that BP Kwinana supplies all fuel retailers in WA, no matter what their brand. Similarly for other refineries around Australia, if there ain't another refinery for a thousand clicks, you get your fuel from one place and one place only, no matter who's logo is flying above the refinery or the service station that you use. 13_devil, BP Ultimate is the only 98 octane fuel available in WA. I don't buy anything else, unless forced to. All other premium unleaded fuels in WA are only 95 octane. Here's that thread: http://www.skylinesaustralia.com/forums/sh...ead.php?t=38750 Cheers.

Hi guys. A subject that interests me too. I also have a niggling scrape on the bottom of the passenger door which is starting to rust (Aaagggghhh!) . So I need to do something soon. Not sure that Car Care will do painting of stone chips and this type of thing. I think they just do the cut and polish. Am I wrong? If they don't, who is recommended for touch up prior to a polish? Also, as a matter of interest, the guy who owns Car Care has a beautiful Supra Aerotop, manual. :aroused: It is red (the worst colour for fading in the sun) and has "Speedshine" written on the flanks. It looks fantastic. 25GTT - pm on the way. Cheers.

I went to see the photos and then wondered what was in the rest of the site! Very interesting! :Oops: There are advantages to owning the business and setting the internet access policy!! Fortunately, nobody will notice (or care) that I have now downloaded a load of photos from this site! (Photos of Skylines, that is!!) Cheers!

Yeah - what Mirkz said! I enjoyed being part of it and meeting you guys. Thanks to Paul and all for organising it. I wasn't expecting to get in the photo, so that was a bonus. (I did wash the car, just in case though!) Joseph (my son) thought it was cool seeing so many Skylines together - which was a first for me too! Looking forward to seeing the magazine. Thanks again to the organisers. Cheers.

OK. I have finally got off the pot, stopped p#ssing around the edges, playing the camel outside the tent :spcow: (!), standing outside looking through the window, etc, etc. Having filled the form in weeks ago, I have just sent it to Zanda. :type: Now I understand that there may well be no more room for such a late-comer as me in the photo-shoot, and the car is fairly stock, needs a wash, etc, but I wouldn't mind coming down with the kids to have a gander anyway. Maybe I could even pay my membership fee, if the receipts book is handy! Let me know if there is room? Meanwhile, for those of you getting a little wound up about all this, here is a cool smilie! :wizard: Cheers.

Hi. These guys offer a selection of kits. Seem to be the same ones as UAS, but they have a wider range. Even though the owner is more into Soarers, they still seem to know what they are talking about. Check 'em out at: http://www.importscene.com.au/category20_1.htm The Series I kits have the main centre vents, heater and stereo surround, but the Series II kits don't. I don't know if the Series I centre vent bit will fit the Series II (looks like it to me, but I haven't been in a Series I). Cheers.

:bs!: C'mon Trident, don't be so one-eyed. You might have missed the fact that Citreon, Peugeot and Renault are makes, with a whole range of cars and histories going back over 100 years each. Did you know Peugeot claim to have made the world's second car, in 1889, one year after Benz did the first? Obviously not. So you know how good the frogs are at car design?!! Dismissing them as "the three ugliest looking cars ever" just puts you in the same book as the "I hate the other lot", narrow minded Falcadore lovers. In case you missed it, the Peugeot 607 Coupe was voted by the World's motoring press as one of the most beautiful cars ever. Only seen a handful in Oz, but a marvelous car. Peugeot have been World Rally Champions loads of times and are still leaders in that sport. The Citreon DS series and the Renault 5, whilst idiosyncratic, were the most innovative cars of their day and used technology way ahead of the rest of the world. (If you have a 4x4 with self levelling air suspension, thank the designers of the Citreon DS, in the 1960s!!) Peugeots and Renaults are just about the only cars to buy in Africa -they are the only cars to stand up to African roads and conditions, because their construction is so rugged. I am not a fan of the French or their cars, but I cannot stand people being dismissive in their attitudes. If you are supposed to be a car enthusiast, you should know more about them! Give credit where it is due. Otherwise, you just descend to the level of the one make, one eyed bigots, who allow the Australian motor manufacturers to continue to give us crap and then prevent us bringing in to this country what we actually want to drive!! Just thought you might like to ponder that! Cheers.

Personally, I find that I need to dump the 'chute about 100 metres before Milligan Street, otherwise I overshoot the car park entrance 'coz the brakes just won't hold her at these speeds!!!!!!!! WTF? :bs!: Speak for yourself, pal. I have had my Skyline for nearly 18 months and not got a ticket for anything (I am sure there is time though!). Mind you, I am a boring old git who never gets it on boost. Perhaps that's why the back tires are looking a bit sad ........... :Oops: Cheers.

Hi guys. I work in the oil industry so know a bit about it, but not too much on the additives in refining. In sunny WA, the BP Kwinana refinery supplies all fuel to all outlets of all other brands - they are the only refinery within a coupla thousand clicks, so that would seem to make sense! But they just sell raw refined product to the other guys. Shell, Caltex and the rest add their own recipes of additives to produce their "own" fuel. BP may, depending on the contract, add some basic additives for some buyers. Being selfish, money-grabbing capitalists, BP don't sell their 98 octane Ultimate to anyone else in WA - especially not Shell!! So Shell have to make do with a raw 95 octane product, which they chuck a few things in to give it the yellow pecten touch :thumbdwn: . As for the NW Shelf crude being wonderful stuff, you have to be careful which field you are talking about! Most production currently comes from the Wanaea & Cossack fields (operated by Woodside) and the Griffin field (operated by BHP Billiton). These produce a nice, light crude (quite different from each other, but not dissimilar to Arabian Light), which fetches a good price on the spot market. The Wandoo field (Exxon Mobil), Stag (Apache), Legendre :dump: (Woodside) and a load of smaller fields (ChevronTexaco and Apache, mainly) all produce crude ranging from nice, light crude :aroused: to thick, 'orrible, gungy stuff that is not exactly the refiners dream :throwup: . Then their are the Timor Sea fields, including Laminaria (Woodside), which produces a crude that you could put straight into your diesel motor and run it with no problems. In refining terms, you can produce a high octane cut from any crude, but you will have to work harder with some than others and your yield will vary depending on the feed stock. Refiners are always trying to plan the mix in their feed stock tanks, and hence the stuff they are buying (often when it is on the high seas), so as not to have to change operating parameters too much in the crude distillation units. So BP Kwinana will be buying crude from all over, as will the Eastern states refineries. And they will try to buy stuff that they are set up for, without being raped on price on the spot market. Meanwhile, given that it is the only 98 octane fuel available here, I use BP Ultimate. And it still gives me black crap on the back of my white car! (Just wait until I get an S-AFC! Hope this helps. Interesting thread! Cheers.

: so sure, the laws seem harsh, and i agree that by driving distinctive cars, we're gonna get an unfair amount of attention, but as quite a few of you guys already pointed out, if you think BEFORE pushing the pedal just a little bit more... we'll all be fine and sorry to any mitsy guys out there, but ricey lancers Guys, You have got to move above the argument of whether people are hoons or not. Sure, some people are hoons, irrespective of what they drive. Falcadores or Rice or just a bit too exuberent, they deserve to get done. But they only deserve to get done in some kind of relationship between the crime and the punishment. They also only deserve to get done if they are truly guilty. The way this law is set up, unfortunately it leaves a lot of dicretion with the police officer. Most cops are fine and they can handle that discretion. Some are not fine (as the recent royal commission showed!). But this is bad law, without the safeguards and there is a strong suspicion of a culture that will lead to the worst potential aspects of that law becoming true. Yeah, ban the hoons, let them get what they deserve. But they don't deserve penalties that are harsher than many criminal offences. And the worry is that none of us deserve what this law will enable a cop to do to any one of us if he is having a bad day!! Raise the level of the discussion guys! Where are you going from here? Cheers.

As many have already observed, this is bad law! The penalties for dangerous and reckless driving are already severe - as they should be! But to then add to that an additional "fine" of about $20k, plus several thousand dollars for storage costs is just gobsmacking. All of this can be based on the "reasonable suspicion" of a police officer that the vehicle in question had been used for an aggravated offence. The safeguard to the "reasonable suspicion" is that it must be given in good faith. That should prove taxing for the long arm of the law! Oh, and by the way, the nice policeman can then get a court order and use reasonable force to enter your home to get your car keys so he can impound the car. There are not too many laws that allow a cop to enter your home! So slide the back end a little on a wet road ("cause the wheels to lose traction with the road surface") and get woken up a little while later by the SWAT team! I am not seeking to protect hoons, but this law provides penalties that are out of all proportion to any other offence (note that you can get hit by this for driving offences that are not even criminal offences!! There are plenty of criminal offences where you could not get penalties even in the same ball park as these!!! With criminal offences, no cop would dream of forcing entry into someone's house.). The "reasonable suspicion" bit is just bad law. It leaves too much to the discretion of the officer. In the UK in the mid-80s, they repealed the so-called "sus" laws, because they were being used by police to target young people in general and young people from ethnic minorities in particular. The police and many of their supporters insisted this was not correct, but findings of "institutionalised racism" in recent years have proven the point. These laws, by the way, allowed cops to arrest someone, have then charged, convicted and fined on the grounds of reasonable suspicion that they were about to commit an offence. So they had not actually done anything. These laws were in place for many years and it took a campaign over nearly 10 years to get them repealed. It is easy to put bad law in place. Very easy. Lazy, or plain ignorant politicians who have an eye to the populist view; an establishment that has a culture encouraging a negative view of certain groups (ethnic minorities, young people, people in modified cars); and popular sentiment whipped up by an un-imaginative and dumbed down press. Sound familiar? You can see these conditions here and now. They even used the establishment groups to come up with the proposed law - "extensive consultation ...... with an interagency working group" - but not with the outside world!!! The only way to prevent this becoming law, or to get it changed quickly if it happens, is to argue eloquently and incessantly against it as bad law. Don't go near the issue of the offenders and identifying yourself with them, just point out, loudly and clearly, that it is bad law. Write to your local papers, the West, your MP. Write to Colin Barnet. If we can keep him speaking out against it, he will change it if the Libs get back in. Keep the heat on Labor too. Politicians like the populist issue, but they don't like to be associated with something that is shown to be flawed. It is only by demonstrating where the flaws lie in this law that we can defeat it. Get writing. Make a noise. Shout from the roof tops. Or whimper in your own little corners and watch as it becomes reality!

Kindergartan at Ursuline Convent, Chester Blessed John Plessington Preparatory School, Hooton, Wirral, Cheshire St. Anselm's College, Birkenhead Newcastle-upon-Tyne University And, Yes, the prize to the gentlemen at the back, they are all in the UK. Somehow, I would doubt if any of you had been to these schools.... But surprise me! Oh, and I graduated in 1979 - which was 18 years before my car was born. How depressing. Still, it must have been a good year for something!

Hey, Rev210, I know from previous threads that you are a great believer in the stock stuff - and I would tend towards that view. But given the price of the Trust stock mount intercooler being about the same as some FMICs, is it worth it? Also, nobody seems to talk about whether going for an FMIC creates extra lag compared to the stock mount. It would seem to me that any FMIC must create more lag, at least with a stock turbo, 'coz you are adding a big volume of air between compressor and intake that has to be compressed. Can you or anyone else shed any light on this aspect? I am looking at some mods and I am not convinced that an intercooler mod, at least an FMIC, is all it is cracked up to be! I know many will condemn me as a heretic to say such things, but there are an awful lot of followers of fashion here who don't know the engineering! Anyone shed any light? Cheers.

"Disrespectful to the GTR legend" is just bovine excretia! If you wanna stick badges on your car claiming it's a Ferrari - go for it. But if your car ain't a Ferrari, don't expect too many people to go "Wow, that's cool". I have always gone by the view that, no matter what car I have had, I won't try and dress it up to look like something it isn't. If it turns you on, then fine. But it's not me. However, I don't try to impose my values on you. If I see your Ford Festiva with a Ferrari badge on it, I will piss myself laughing. But if you like it. Do it. My first car was a Mini Countryman (the wagon without the wood!). I bought myself a genuine Cooper S badge, but it didn't seem right to put it on the car without at least the right engine. I still have the badge, pristine and untouched, in the box. I never did get the engine!!!!! And that was two hundred years ago ........... Enjoy your car as YOU want it ....... and stuff everyone else ...... just be prepared for sAfrican Americans, giggles and guffaws if you don't get it right. Isn't that the lesson in life as a whole? Cheers.