No Crust Racing

Should be fun, I forsee lots of WD for me Russ/Matt - I have that steering wheel if you want it before DECA.

Hey Baron, welcome aboard the debt express. I think in the end, if I don't do a GT-R I will always just want another one no matter what track car I build. So I'll wait and when the time comes I'll try and find a sorted one, I know enough to realise that 40-50k is a steal for some of the cars getting around for that money. At least then I'll be happy I went GT-R, and if it's not fast enough I'm sure money can fix that.

The clamps were fine, it was the silicon joiner that let go. Looks like it'd been rubbed, I've moved things accordingly. If you were at that DECA why didn't you come and say hello, or did you and I've forgotten... Another upgrade from that DECA is that I replaced the drivers seat that I snapped in half that day, Should be easier to drive now that I dont have to hang off the wheel

I know... ouch! I think that's too much personally. I was talking to another SAU member who has competed successfully in Tarmac Rally and he has aspirations of going 33 GT-R also, he was talking more like 80-90 and he doesn't do things by halves. At 55k, that car is a steal. Who wants to go halves I could use a Nav...

Awwww shit, I'm on the list. I even lashed out and ordered a mega cheap set ($52 for the lot) of normal brake pads so I can actually stop at this DECA as the I couldn't get any heat into the pads last time. Rear spoiler is already removed and the street tyres are already on, I'm starting to get a bit excited... We'll just have to see if the turbo holds on

Regarding that white R33 for 55k, I asked him a couple of questions and got these replies > Hey mate, > > I'm in no position to buy your car, but I was hoping you might answer > some questions for me as I'm looking to build a GT-R in a similar > fashion. > > What did you get the weight down to? > How streetable is the car still? > How much do you estimate you've spent on it? > What power does it make and what did your engine setup set you back? > Would you biuld another GT-R knowing what you know now? > What are you replacing this with? > > Cheers > > Dan Hi Dan weight 1460 very streetable as setup for tarmac rallies over $ 150 k power 330 kw at the wheels with n1 turbos i have a 32 gtr set for the track only and as the cost of the 33 was over $150k (NO) v8 supercar thanks jason

Ahh gtst. Be interesting to see what GT-R Brembo's with all those add ons plus some good ducting would do.

You dont have to actually comply and reg it, just get a car that has the potential to be later. If it's imported as race/rally then it can never be reg', if it's imported as a normal car but left as track use only then at least you can legally comply it later if u want. Only 5-6 laps and you got fade with better calipers, slotted rotors, good pads, good fluid and brake ducting? christ how fast are you going and what temps were you seeing? Looking around and there are quite a few R33 GT-R's in the 19-22k mark that already have some basic mods and are complied and reg'd already in the country so be sure to look locally too.

I'd want a street reg'd one, even if i don't reg it at least it can be reg'd later or did you just buy a really cheap import? Why did you need a big brake kit, how soon were you running out of brakes and why? From what speeds etc, I'm surprised to know that the factory calipers aren't that good if you had some slotted rotors, good pads and fluid plus some ducting? 4k for suspenion arms? wtf?! are you including sway bars in that? Rims can deffo be had for cheaper.

The plot thickens...

ok after the weekend I can make both available for pickup in around brunswick and collingwood, open to any offers, just looking to clear out some stuff Cheers

Only missing an RB20 hey Russ

I was literally just looking at that... and this... http://my105.com/classified.asp?id=12991

I saw that Dane lol I don't have a spare 55g just yet. Wonder if he'd take a Silvia, $50 and a slab...

Yeah I dunno about N1's but I do know personally that discos can be had for that money. The missus said "we" should go GT-R so long as she can drive it too - sounds like my costs just got halved lol. I said no worries but she has to agree to being my nav if we get into hillclimbs/tarmac rally. She loves the idea - Jackpot.

Well... I.... but.... maybe.... Gah I hate you Disco for SR is about 900 new, I thought N1's made 300awkw (maybe that's stretching them) and didn't cost almost 3k new? I expect more $$ but expect more power in the end too? Are GT-R's out of injector head room at that power? Dane: In reality, the track potential and competition capability would come before streetability as much as I hate knowing that points to the S-Chassis as the better choice =\ So long as I can afford it, the GT-R is fine though right?? right!??!?! Where's the scotsman and Baron when you need them.

lol damn you dave *fist shake* Give us a run down on your pricing, 75% seems a bit much 0_0 Bare in mind that like most I do a bit of my own work and am not against sourcing 2nd hand bargains.

Yeah I follow that Dane but while it's heavier it also wears wider rubber and has bigger brakes so yes those items cost more but the performance shoudl be roughly equal when taking the weight into consideration. Powerwise though you should end up with a better power to weight on an unopened engine? So in my head I have it as the GT-R costs more but should go faster, lap times wise? No?

OK let's do some rough comparisons. What's an S14 weigh? 1250? 1300? and a GT-R is 1500-1550? So an S14 at 1250 with 230rwkw (I choose this power because I'm under the impression that's about the safe limit of a stock engine?) works out to be about 5.4Kg per kW. A GT-R with about 300rwkw (again guessing safe stock limit?) comes out to be about 5.16Kg per kW To acheive this both would need turbo upgrades, computer, intake and exhaust upgrade. I'm not 100% sure if both require fuel upgrades to get these figures. You would spend more on the GT-R to make that power but you'd have a better power to weigth ratio at that point, so more money spent but better power/weight.. make sense I guess. If the engines are rebuilt all this goes out the windo of course but neither are overly cheap to rebuild when going forged internals etc. Both will need suspension which when looking at decent quality suspension doesn't seem to vary much given the car, if we said the GT-R shocks were more expensive by a little bit due to heavier car then that's not that surprising. An S14 with slotted rotors and good pads and fluid should pull up pretty well, I have the same setup on my car and it out brakes semi slicks easily so does it need more braking power than that? Likewise my GT-R had upgraded rotors, pads and fluid and it seemd to have enough brakes for sprintsl, maybe it's because my home track is Winton which is not overly fast and I'm only doing sprints 6-8laps at a time? I'd have thought the standard Brembo's were up to the task but I must be wrong based on the consensus that everyone has about needing huge brakes on a GT-R. Then there's tyres, I don't think this one is avoidable, the GT-R seems to need 265 semi's to keep it on the black stuff whereas the S chassis cars seem quite content on 235's, a noteable cost difference. If buying new, but how much of a cost difference if being able to source them second hand I wonder. For all of it's extra expense in the above, the GT-R ends up with a higher outlay and ongoing costs, I can't even guess how much more fuel it would use, but at the power point listed the performance should be better in a GT-R, on paper at least all things considered. In my head it looks like you spend more and you go faster but from what everyone else is saying, that's just not the case. So I've either ballsed up the figures, over estimated the power potential of the engines, underestimated cost differences, or am just plain biased?

Yeah fair point. Emailed through.

Nah haven't forgotten, just been a bit snowed under with the house, unexpected redundancy, now working in Melbourne temporarily, etc. Haven't had time to work on or drive the car, DECA could be a good chance to blow out some cobwebs and see what breaks I'll forward through a form today Ryan. EDIT: In filling out the form I just noticed my licenses are expired, I'll have to sort that first - Joy

Late as usual... What are my chances of getting in Ryan/Bec? Is the list very up to date? Any people pulling out just yet?

I might be talking crazy, but do people not rebuild their own engines with 26's, would keep the labour cost down and in the end it's just another 4 stroke engine. s there something special to know regarding tolerances or oil control etc?

lol curse Nissan for making us fall in love with a car that's maybe 10% more capable but %30 more expensive in every way? lol

Really? what's the legality of it Marlin, just out of curiosity.