great post ken......I have a question also....who here is a panel beater????Its kinda like trying to tell the chef how to bake cookies .....I have seen porsche's,lambo,s i even saw a testarossa cut and shut in japan.....you would never know whats happened to your car...i bet i can look at 70% of your cars and find previous damage...20% will be unspottable(nice job)and the other 10% possibly factory(untouched)