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Going From An R33 Gtst To A Pulsar Gtir

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yeah, I hadn't really looked at one before but I noticed a thread here about them and had a look. The more I found out about them the more they became an attractive option.

The more you guys have posted about ongoing costs for the gtiR has scared me off a bit.

I just need something to cruise around in to and from work. As i said I never go to the strip or do any circuits so sports cars are kinda wasted on me. I don't regret having the r33 for a second, it's an awesome car. Just time for a change, I want something a bit more comfortable.

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A gti-r will win over a 33 gts-t in handling, speed and just pure excitement.

Stock for stock they're both boats and I don't think the GTiR would destroy a stock 33 either, especially on the track where the AWD isn't as much of an advantage.

My mate put $2k into a whiteline pack into his GTiR and it still understeers like a dog and feels like a FWD car turned into an AWD car. Funny that it's what it is - also feels front heavy at high speeds.

Other than that the only other downside is the handling characteristic when pushed - dog understeer turned snap oversteer = sliding into a pole.

On the advantages it's got the best factory setup of a sr20 to come out of Nissan and it looks like a tiny little rice car to most people. For driving around in town it'll be a great little car for the urban rally - but it won't be that much cheaper to run I don't think as they do suck the petrol when you put your foot down, and putting your foot down is very fun with a GTiR.

Either way - nice cars but I wouldn't get one, somehow the FR setup of a skyline/silvia/cefiro/laurel etc feels more rewarding to me as a driver.

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Stock for stock they're both boats and I don't think the GTiR would destroy a stock 33 either, especially on the track where the AWD isn't as much of an advantage.

My mate put $2k into a whiteline pack into his GTiR and it still understeers like a dog and feels like a FWD car turned into an AWD car. Funny that it's what it is - also feels front heavy at high speeds.

Other than that the only other downside is the handling characteristic when pushed - dog understeer turned snap oversteer = sliding into a pole.

On the advantages it's got the best factory setup of a sr20 to come out of Nissan and it looks like a tiny little rice car to most people. For driving around in town it'll be a great little car for the urban rally - but it won't be that much cheaper to run I don't think as they do suck the petrol when you put your foot down, and putting your foot down is very fun with a GTiR.

Either way - nice cars but I wouldn't get one, somehow the FR setup of a skyline/silvia/cefiro/laurel etc feels more rewarding to me as a driver.

Best motoring DVD had the gti-r VS an R32 GTR and the gti-r is up with the R32 GTR the whole way!! Around corners the GTi-r destroys the GTR, the only area the GTR was winning was the straights, even then the gti-r was very close. This was a test stock VS stock.

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Best motoring DVD had the gti-r VS an R32 GTR and the gti-r is up with the R32 GTR the whole way!! Around corners the GTi-r destroys the GTR, the only area the GTR was winning was the straights, even then the gti-r was very close. This was a test stock VS stock.

Greg

Probably a one off man.

Seriously, gti-rs are good cars, but they won't handle better or keep on the straight with a GTR. I reckon the GTR driver was hopeless :)

That said, I'm pretty sure the gti-rs would kill a 33 (GTST ofcourse) straight line, but on the track it would be close (unless its raining!)

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Probably a one off man.

Seriously, gti-rs are good cars, but they won't handle better or keep on the straight with a GTR. I reckon the GTR driver was hopeless  :)

That said, I'm pretty sure the gti-rs would kill a 33 (GTST ofcourse) straight line, but on the track it would be close (unless its raining!)

GTiR is about twice as fast as a standard R33 GTST skyline.

GTiR is as fast as a GTR ....

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GTiR is about twice as fast as a standard R33 GTST skyline.

GTiR is as fast as a GTR ....

Twice as fast as a GTST and as fast as a GTR?

Sure buddy. I may be biased, but I'm not ignorant.

I'll finish with a simple sentence.

Your information is incorrect.

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Probably a one off man.

Seriously, gti-rs are good cars, but they won't handle better or keep on the straight with a GTR. I reckon the GTR driver was hopeless  :)

That said, I'm pretty sure the gti-rs would kill a 33 (GTST ofcourse) straight line, but on the track it would be close (unless its raining!)

Maybe you should check out the best motoring DVD then.

The GTi-R DESTROYS the GTR around corners!!!

This was on a track and over a fair distance.

That is an honest statement and not biased at all.

If I could upload the DVD I would.

Greg

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The GTiR is very close to the R32gtr in straight line (1/4mile). Increase boost and do not pass go and go directly to 12's. Attessa system is there just like the GTR and on a shorter wheel base, they don't have oiling issues. If you know how to drive an R32 GTR you know that the understeer is what the uneducated feel because they don't plant the right foot enough at the right time in the cornering.

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Maybe you should check out the best motoring DVD then.

The GTi-R DESTROYS the GTR around corners!!!

This was on a track and over a fair distance.

That is an honest statement and not biased at all.

If I could upload the DVD I would.

Greg

No, no, I'm not doubting the authenticity of the video, or implying that you're making stuff up! :lol:

I'm just saying its a one-off event, i.e either coz the GTR was battered, the driver was hopeless etc and on the AVERAGE, a GTR would 9 times out of 10, DESTROY the GTi-R.

I mean, its a bit silly to base your entire argument on this one video, thinking objectively, I can't see a GTi-R even keeping close on the corners, let alone the straights, based on what I've seen in terms of lap times, past events etc.

Peace.

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The GTiR is very close to the R32gtr in straight line (1/4mile). Increase boost and do not pass go and go directly to 12's. Attessa system is there just like the GTR and on a shorter wheel base, they don't have oiling issues. If you know how to drive an R32 GTR you know that the understeer is what the uneducated feel because they don't plant the right foot enough at the right time in the cornering.

The 4wd system is differnt in the gtir-s.

The GTi-R uses a constant 50-50 power distribution and is mechanical rather than electrical like the GTR.

Greg

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No, no, I'm not doubting the authenticity of the video, or implying that you're making stuff up!  :lol:

I'm just saying its a one-off event, i.e either coz the GTR was battered, the driver was hopeless etc and on the AVERAGE, a GTR would 9 times out of 10, DESTROY the GTi-R. 

I mean, its a bit silly to base your entire argument on this one video, thinking objectively, I can't see a GTi-R even keeping close on the corners, let alone the straights, based on what I've seen in terms of lap times, past events etc.

Peace.

I'm not basing an argument on a DVD at all. I've been out to many cruises and a few track days and a gti-r stock VS stock or even mildly modded vs mildly modded are very close!!.

The gti-r handles better where as the GTR has a bit more go.

As the other guy said 1/4 mile times are almost identical on the R32 GTR VS gti-r.

Both the cars in the best motoring DVD were brand new and driven by guys from Nissan from what I can understand of it (its in Japanese)

Greg

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Yeah ofcourse if you increase the boost on a GTi-R it will be close to the GTR 1/4 mile.

But i thought we were comparing stock.......12.9 vs 13.9 ain't a pretty sight. That's a lot of carlengths.

And I'll have to disagree about the track, mildy modded vs mildly modded? Good night Pulsar.

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Yeah ofcourse if you increase the boost on a GTi-R it will be close to the GTR 1/4 mile.

But i thought we were comparing stock.......12.9 vs 13.9 ain't a pretty sight. That's a lot of carlengths.

And I'll have to disagree about the track, mildy modded vs mildly modded? Good night Pulsar.

Hmmm.. I always thought they were both 13.9 vc 13.9... my bad :)

At the end of the day I rather a gti-r because not many people know what it is. I don't have to deal with people wanting to drag at every set of lights and ask "is it turbo" lol...

Just the stigma associated with owning a skyline really annoyed me. I loved that car :(

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Hmmm.. I always thought they were both 13.9 vc 13.9... my bad  :)

At the end of the day I rather a gti-r because not many people know what it is. I don't have to deal with people wanting to drag at every set of lights and ask "is it turbo" lol...

Just the stigma associated with owning a skyline really annoyed me. I loved that car :(

Greg

They are great sleepers.

Seriously, who expects to get their doors blown off by a Pulsar hatchback.

Cost of the car: $16,000

The look on the Holden owners face: Priceless.

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They are great sleepers.

Seriously, who expects to get their doors blown off by a Pulsar hatchback.

Cost of the car: $16,000

The look on the Holden owners face: Priceless.

Take away 10k from that figure and thats what mine costed landed :)

then add that 10k that I saved and put it into mods and you've got a nice car that looks like a FWD piece of shit!!

I'm considering losing the vented bonnet and going fibreglass N14 SSS, painting the FMIC black and just making it look like a general rice burner.

Oh will be getting de-badged too (I might keep the pulsar badge there.. )

Greg

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I've driven R32 GTR's with minor mods, and I've driven a GTiR with minor mods. When I say minor mods I mean an exhaust, a pod and a boost controller... the GTiR gave me a much bigger smile on my face... why? its a 2.0L pocket rocket. Its about as fast as a GTR, but half the size and a smaller capacity engine. It handles like a dream... there's a hint of understeer, but not that bad.

Comparing a GTR to a GTiR is stupid. GTiR's were built to take on Rallies around the world, the GTR was built to take on production class races. Two entirely different kettle of fish, and two completely different builds/racing theories.

Under the 15 year rule we brought in GTiR's for dirt cheap. But now under SEVS it isn't too bad. compliance defintely isn't 6k anyways :P

Although I must say the GTiR is slightly boring compared to an R34 GTR V Spec II when it comes to driving pleasure :( but definitely more fun than an R32 GTR. Getting back to the initial question... going from an oversteering R33 GTSt to a slightly understeering GTiR? Once you're comfortable powersliding the GTiR in AWD, you'll never look back.

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