sparkmanv11 Posted June 14, 2006 Share Posted June 14, 2006 (edited) 280rwkw on stock turbos?i dont think so tim The car was dynoed at willall racing by Martin Donnan and Peter Hall reasonably respected tuner and engine builder respectively. I will post the graph tommorow. The turbos are stock, please feel free to check with Steve Cramp, Manta Racing, also a respected racing driver, engine and gearbox mechanic of some repute and dabbles in a spot of suspension work. In fact after checking it was 283 rwkw on standard boost. P.S 1. My name is Warren 2. Your Avatar suits you Edited June 21, 2006 by R31Nismoid Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/123125-280rwkw-stock-turbos-stock-boost/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
R31Nismoid Posted June 14, 2006 Share Posted June 14, 2006 stcok boost being what? 14psi? Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/123125-280rwkw-stock-turbos-stock-boost/#findComment-2258026 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatz Posted June 15, 2006 Share Posted June 15, 2006 must chirp second with 280rwkw Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/123125-280rwkw-stock-turbos-stock-boost/#findComment-2258853 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_rbman Posted June 15, 2006 Share Posted June 15, 2006 willall/martin donnon is know here in S.a for giving out higher than normal dyno readings! Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/123125-280rwkw-stock-turbos-stock-boost/#findComment-2259402 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparkmanv11 Posted June 16, 2006 Author Share Posted June 16, 2006 This was achived with stock turbs, 3in straightthru exhaust, Pods. PowerFC + boost controller set on stock boost. Thats it. Anyway, back on topic. To the OP, you should be fine without one untill you do other mods. Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/123125-280rwkw-stock-turbos-stock-boost/#findComment-2263322 Share on other sites More sharing options...
brenr33 Posted June 16, 2006 Share Posted June 16, 2006 willall/martin donnon is know here in S.a for giving out higher than normal dyno readings! yeh this dyno that dyno. f**k is there a normal dyno reading other than yours r31nismoid is a toss he knows all!!!! Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/123125-280rwkw-stock-turbos-stock-boost/#findComment-2263430 Share on other sites More sharing options...
R31Nismoid Posted June 16, 2006 Share Posted June 16, 2006 I bet you know more huh? All i was saying is 280rwkw from a STOCK turbo'd GTR on STOCK boost is nothing but totally unreasonable Please tell the crowd how that is wrong, and where your knowledge says thats possible cheers Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/123125-280rwkw-stock-turbos-stock-boost/#findComment-2263600 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderbolt Posted June 16, 2006 Share Posted June 16, 2006 This was achived with stock turbs, 3in straightthru exhaust, Pods. PowerFC + boost controller set on stock boost. Thats it.Anyway, back on topic. To the OP, you should be fine without one untill you do other mods. What is the difference between the blue line and the green line? What does the blue line represent? Is that your car 100% stock or something? Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/123125-280rwkw-stock-turbos-stock-boost/#findComment-2263846 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparkmanv11 Posted June 17, 2006 Author Share Posted June 17, 2006 No, The blue line represents torque. R31Nismoid - If you read my post I never said the car was completely stock. I agree with you, 280rwkw is not possible out of a COMPLETELY stock car. Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/123125-280rwkw-stock-turbos-stock-boost/#findComment-2263961 Share on other sites More sharing options...
brenr33 Posted June 17, 2006 Share Posted June 17, 2006 I bet you know more huh?All i was saying is 280rwkw from a STOCK turbo'd GTR on STOCK boost is nothing but totally unreasonable Please tell the crowd how that is wrong, and where your knowledge says thats possible cheers mechanic for 25 years 15 of them with gibson motorsport and so yeh i might know more ya toss Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/123125-280rwkw-stock-turbos-stock-boost/#findComment-2263979 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparkmanv11 Posted June 17, 2006 Author Share Posted June 17, 2006 I have posted up a 4wd drive comparison, this was prior to the PFC, boost controller, front pipes and exhaust. I agree with dyno results being all over the place but what can u do about it you have to trust someone or something, I am at the point where as long as it keeps going up who cares. I might add I change the oil every 2500km and immediately after a track day and I only use AMSOIL turbo formulated synthetic with an oil cooler. Vven with this the oil temp sometimes hits the end stop. When I do the fuel pump regulator and injectors I will post the results after another dyno run. BTW I still havent had a response to my initial qusetion surely it cant be that hard a question. Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/123125-280rwkw-stock-turbos-stock-boost/#findComment-2263998 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderbolt Posted June 17, 2006 Share Posted June 17, 2006 No, The blue line represents What about the lines at the bottom of the graph? Torque should not keep going up, should flatten out while the power keeps rising, which is what those ones at the bottom do. Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/123125-280rwkw-stock-turbos-stock-boost/#findComment-2264060 Share on other sites More sharing options...
R31Nismoid Posted June 17, 2006 Share Posted June 17, 2006 mechanic for 25 years 15 of them with gibson motorsport and so yeh i might know more ya toss so what did you gibson guys make with the stock turbos (on the factory boost leve)? Oh... thats right... you were using steel wheeled turbos and not the ceramic ones my bad Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/123125-280rwkw-stock-turbos-stock-boost/#findComment-2264135 Share on other sites More sharing options...
brenr33 Posted June 17, 2006 Share Posted June 17, 2006 (edited) so what did you gibson guys make with the stock turbos (on the factory boost leve)?Oh... thats right... you were using steel wheeled turbos and not the ceramic ones my bad who gives a f**k about boost level rwk is all that matters. nobody races dynos ceramic turbos on 20+psi you dont think so well i know so been there done that 15 years ago toss boy Edited June 17, 2006 by brenr33 Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/123125-280rwkw-stock-turbos-stock-boost/#findComment-2264889 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hakai Posted June 19, 2006 Share Posted June 19, 2006 (edited) who gives a f**k about boost level rwk is all that matters. nobody races dynos ceramic turbos on 20+psi you dont think so well i know so been there done that 15 years ago toss boy Considering the only comment Nismoid made was in regards to the fact that 280wkw on stock turbos and stock boost is an unreasonable figure, I think boost level is quite relevant. Or is it just that in your 15 years in motorsport you never learnt to read? And isn't the statement "rwk is all that matters, nobody races dynos" a bit of a contradiction, since every dyno reads differently. I would have thought it was rwk(w?) that meant nothing, and that it was all about Lap Times and ETs? Or am I missing sometihng somewhere that says if you run a 11s pass with 400rwkw you're obviously faster than the guy who ran a 10s pass with 380rwkw? Edited June 19, 2006 by Hakai Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/123125-280rwkw-stock-turbos-stock-boost/#findComment-2269970 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abo Bob Posted June 19, 2006 Share Posted June 19, 2006 SK, I have just ordered a nismo fuel pump and regulator "as pictured" along with a set of nismo 600cc injectors to strengten my fuel system and be in a position to upgrade to r34n1 turbos or other low mounts GTSS maybe for track and targa.. I have a standard R33 GTR except for apexi powerfc and boost controller which made 283rwkw post an exhaust change. My question is after fitting the regulator do you maintain the standard pressure as it now "guaranteed" or should you increase it and if so to what pressure. I also call BS on 283rwkw with stock turbos. I've seen 250 odd a number of times. Doesn't really matter anyway unless you are trying to tell us that it's for real. It's only useful to you if you keep using the same dyno and operator as a comparative thing. I personally try to avoid dyno's that are known to give inflated figures because I would rather know the truth - or as close as is possible given the known drawbacks of dynos generally. That said, with 600cc injectors and the turbos you are thinking of you will be fine to keep the stock fuel pressure. Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/123125-280rwkw-stock-turbos-stock-boost/#findComment-2270015 Share on other sites More sharing options...
pplo Posted June 20, 2006 Share Posted June 20, 2006 i agree with R31Nismoid, unrealistic figure with stock turbos.. seems like that dyno needs a tuneup! Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/123125-280rwkw-stock-turbos-stock-boost/#findComment-2271939 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderbolt Posted June 20, 2006 Share Posted June 20, 2006 seems like that dyno needs a tuneup! It was done on shootout mode. Should be fairly acurate. My guess is that the blue line is stock boost, and the green line is considerably higher than stock boost. Was probably tuned on high-boost because if the temptation was there to raise the boost, then you wouldn't need a retune. Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/123125-280rwkw-stock-turbos-stock-boost/#findComment-2272278 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronin 09 Posted June 20, 2006 Share Posted June 20, 2006 mine made 255rwkw turbo back pfc std airbox - nismo filter tomei cams std ceramic turbos 1.1bar Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/123125-280rwkw-stock-turbos-stock-boost/#findComment-2272380 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lwells Posted June 20, 2006 Share Posted June 20, 2006 What would be the effect of running in Shoot81 mode? From what I have read, Shoot81 has the highest ramp rate value (~200 vs ~130 for Shoot6) Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/123125-280rwkw-stock-turbos-stock-boost/#findComment-2272663 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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