Vrs Falcodore

[Whyallapunk]

Hey,

I was just wondering...

Would an NA R32 RB20DE beat a commodore or falcon v6 off the lights?

My skyline has no mods ATM, and all my m8s commos and falcons don;t either

[SKY031]

Take it to a track and find out.

[Race_Bred]

im only guessing but i'd say no,

theres only one way to find out

[Cubes]

Hey,

I was just wondering...

Would an NA R32 RB20DE beat a commodore or falcon v6 off the lights?

My skyline has no mods ATM, and all my m8s commos and falcons don;t either

I wouldn't think so.

All though peak power might make the power to weight look ok its the average power accelerating to that peak power that is lacking. The 2ltr really is too small for the 1320kg R32.

A good example of this is pull up next to a VL 5speed RB30E. ~116fwkw or there abouts. Mine made 80rwkw bone stock back in the day but it used to whoop 3.8ltr manual commo's. Well not whoop but just edge them out in the top end.

[GTR Power]

when i had an auto n/a 3 litre, i had no chance againts auto vs commys, used to race my mates commys all the time, could never get em off the line.. u would expect the n/a r34s to beat commys n falcons wouldnt u ?? rb25de

Edited November 7, 2006 by GTR Power

[Cubes]

Yep the Vl auto box's are like rubber bands.

+ the 3ltr doesn't have that much down low so the only option is a manual where you can bring the rev's up and play fair.

I found the manual VN-VS's to feel a little sluggish off the line actually. Its as if the auto actually help them lunge off the line.

[GTR Power]

lol ye the auto did suck, now with the r34, that would easily beta a commodore right? even the tip tronics

[Cubes]

Not sure... low down power hence displacement is what rules off the line performance in auto cars. Dropping a higher stall really isn't fair as we are comparing stock vs stock really.

Manuals you can get around the low end hole.

[mad082]

it really depends on the driver of each car, and what model commodore. the later model, like vx and vy are heavier than the vr/vs. they have a touch more power though.

the skyline may have the same power, and be a touch lighter, but it is well down on torque. this means that you have to rev harder to get the power, where as a big aussie 6 will pull from lower in the rev range.

[Cubes]

yep.. a bit like mad082 driving his 200rwkw r33 and myself driving a 150rwkw r32 rb20det thing.. mad082 grannyshifts, bogs it off the line etc so i would spank his whale. lol

[DivHunter]

Hey,

I was just wondering...

Would an NA R32 RB20DE beat a commodore or falcon v6 off the lights?

My skyline has no mods ATM, and all my m8s commos and falcons don;t either

Teh Falcon V6 can nevah lose!!!!!!

...because they don't exist.

[R34 Rampage]

I've driven VX/VZ commdores and they weren't too great. A R34 non turbo would beat them no problemo if you let them rev up.

Current model falcons on the other hand are hell fast, I've floored an auto BA series 2 falcon and it gave atleast as much g-force as a stock auto R34 GT-T no shit! The non-turbo R34s would definately be beaten by a BA falcon.

[-Jimmy-]

I didn't really ever want to get involved with this "this is faster than that" type thing... But my friend, who regularly rips me off decided to say my car (R32 4 Door, RB25DE) was a crappy Japanese peice of gay F***en s***. He really doesn't like imports or something, anyway he brought up this discussion which replied with nothing. I hate arguing.

Thing is, he rides dirt bikes... and just about every bike he has ridden/rides is Japanese. I don't see his point :S Typical Commodore lover, when he rips off Fords he looks at me because he knows I don't "support" Holdens... thing is I don't really "support" Fords either. I used to "prefer" them, haha in yr 6 but since I've been into imports I'm not much into Aussie Cars.

He said that his/my friend's mums VN Commo Auto Wagon, would beat my Skyline easily, now it may well be the truth I don't know, however he then went on to say that I would be there "changing gears" and from what I've read, Manuals are usually a quicker change, except from an auto racing box or something who cares. Then he said his Dad's VP Auto could beat my friends mums commodore... so in other words he said his dads car was really fast and my car was a piece of shit.

My car was weighed today: 1340kg. It's a Manual RB25DE R32 with pod and exhaust (soon hehe) vs a VN Commo Auto Wagon... 1500kg?

Anyway I'm just sick of him ripping of mine/my family's cars too... he continuenly says my Dad's E46 328Ci is a piece of crap etc etc. I think people should get over the "this would beat that" thing.

-Jimmy.

Edited November 8, 2006 by -Jimmy-

[Cubes]

The VP Wagon apparently weighs in at 1380kg's.

They weigh bugger all because they are rather flexy chassis.

[-Jimmy-]

Oh okay, I was estimating Lol. Thansk for that, I actually was looking for figures (weight) this arvo, but didn't look very hard obviously.

-Jimmy.

[inthisglass]

The best way to find out is to have a race?

but think about it this way,

its a 2.0ltr vs a 3.8

the commodore rightfully should win as it is a much bigger and more pwerful enigne, regardless of the few extra kilo's the commonwhore is dragging around.

the falcodores autos dont help them as stock they are shit family cars but a manual version would win easily.

my N/A Rb25de beats them easy but the newer models are a bit faster.

the Rb20de doesnt have enough power, so basically get a turbo.

[screamin']

The best way to find out is to have a race?

but think about it this way,

its a 2.0ltr vs a 3.8

the commodore rightfully should win as it is a much bigger and more pwerful enigne, regardless of the few extra kilo's the commonwhore is dragging around.

the falcodores autos dont help them as stock they are shit family cars but a manual version would win easily.

my N/A Rb25de beats them easy but the newer models are a bit faster.

the Rb20de doesnt have enough power, so basically get a turbo.

Rubbish, you'll be surprised what an RB20DE will do with some light mods. Don't just write them off.

[mad082]

there are too many variables. it depends on model commodore/falcon as a vn/vp is much lighter than a vt/vx (infact they are about the same weight as a r32), but then the vx will put out about 30-40hp more on a dyno.

if it was standard manual ea falcon (s-pac) vs manual vp commodore, vs manual rb20de, i would say the order would be probably falcon, commodore, skyline. i used to own a manual s-pac ea falcon and they don't actually go that bad. i did it with those models as they are all about the same age.

if you were to change that scenario to late model cars, and add in a magna then the order would change slightly. the order would be something like: magna, falcon, skyline, commodore

[R34 Rampage]

Don't even try with only a 2.0 NA, a stock 4.0L BA Falcon sedan will destroy you by a country mile. Commodores are a fair bit slower but even then you'll struggle against a base model VE.

Sorry to say it but RB20DEs just aren't built for speed.

[MBS206]

Okay.

My Supra held dead level, with a R34 GTT (Auto in both)

Later on, I got my rear end handed to me by a V8 VN with an exhaust.

Basically, the R32 would most likley be beaten down like my Supra against a V8 in the VN.

Now against the V6, on the roll, I just start to loose out.

So I'd be hazarding a guess, that the R32 would loose out too (BTW, my Supra IS twin turbo)