Skyline dreams shattered

[timbar32]

I can't think of the companys name right now, but will post it later. I'm 24, have a R32GTS-t and pay $2000 for full comprehensive, including a free windscreen a year. This policy allows for legal mods and the excess is only $1500. I think they are based in perth.

[akeenan]

I believe its on factory power and weights.. therefore you can change the power down, or bump the weight up but its not going to make a difference.

p platers can drive any car as long as it is a max of 125kw per tonne. it all comes down to power to weight. i can buy a gtst and decrease the power. as long as i have proof that the power is decresed then there is no problem.

if its purely on factory weights i could buy a little 60kw lancer and drop in a new engine a huge turbo and have a 460 kw little lancer.....see what im getting at

therefore as long as the car is a max of 125kw per tonne it is legal.... i went through all this when i bought my skyline, the legalities of what ive just been talking about hence i have a skyline also if i have an accident i will be covered!

[floody]

It is factory weight, factory power. No GTS-T is legal in victoria.

You can't turn the power down, or add weight, thats bullshit. it doesn't work like that.

cheers,

floody

[akeenan]

if it doesnt work like that why have i done it? and why have i managed to get insurance with my slight killowatt detune :confused: where as without the detune they refused and wouldnt have anything to do with me :confused: !

[holdens_r_better]

im glad i live in qld

[Guest superted]

akeenan just wondering where about do you live? Sydney?

[akeenan]

i live in melbourne

[Guest superted]

oh i c! Yeah! I thought you could do that! Do you own one yourself? Gimme more detail on the tuning the engine down. And how does the weight to some ratio work? for example my skyline GTS-T has 187 Kw how much would that be? if you work it out?

[akeenan]

yes i own a gts-t

i dont want to go into the details too much but its rather simple.

less air = less power.

as long as you can prove that your car is under the power to weight ratio like i can and as long as you can back up your new power to weight figures with some kind of a power chart/ dyno tuners signatureand stamp with some simple mathematics everything is legal.

[liquid85]

Originally posted by KamikazeR33

should be somewhere around that Xeaon

somewhere between 1300-2000

I dont think so, if that was the case i would be getting that but its not. It is what i assumed as well but found out they want around the 3000-3500 :|, which was quoted from just cars and they are the only ppl that said they would insurer me.

[Xeaon]

Originally posted by liquid85

I dont think so, if that was the case i would be getting that but its not. It is what i assumed as well but found out they want around the 3000-3500 :|, which was quoted from just cars and they are the only ppl that said they would insurer me.

Ouch thats just to harsh. So its no point getting a non-turbo there for.

Anyone on there P's who has a non-turbo skyline who would like to share how much there insurance is? Someone with Famous?

[floody]

Originally posted by akeenan

if it doesnt work like that why have i done it? and why have i managed to get insurance with my slight killowatt detune :confused: where as without the detune they refused and wouldnt have anything to do with me :confused: !

Ok, so when the cops fine you, you just run the car to the RTA's handy weighbridge and engine dyno, after they remove, test and refit your engine and set the car up to factory weight you get off?

Bullshit mate.

I'm not talking about proving it to some dumbarse jobsworth at the insurance company call centre, I am talking about the legality of it. And with insurance, my thoughts would run to If the cops told the insurance company your car exceeded the regulations if you were in a decent accident, who do you reckon they'd believe?

For insurance I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, but no way would driving that car be legal under the power:weight rules.

Maybe you have a very very relaxed insurer.

Good luck in the event of a crash.

cheers,

floody

[gt34]

hrmmm...

car insurance is quite a problem.

I've had my car for about a month now... and still no insurance.

It's a non-turbo r34. i thought that non-turbo was easier n cheaper for insurance.. but obviously not.

Most places would insure under my dad, but once i tell them i may be driving(19yr old) 'if i was required to' they reject. and other places like famous are quite expensive.. i got quoted 3k. i thought it'd be alot cheaper... esp for a non-turbo car. Now, i might even consider selling the car and getting something simple for a few years.. lol

btw. does anyone know whether famous does 3rd party?

[Sonic]

Floody, i live in Sydney but deal with modified cars from Melbourne. From what i've managed to grasp (this is relating to old-school V8 Aussie muscle cars) you carry your report which has power:weight on it (incl dyno sheet) like an engineer's report so when the cops pull you over, your engine no. VIN no. and plates all match up and they can't do anything about power:weight UNLESS you've modified the car in a defectable way. Just like having an engineer's report in Syd. or QLD

[floody]

dyno sheets are all well and good, but any cop I've spoken to says the rules refer to (flywheel)power to weight. I understand you can extrapolate flywheel power from rear wheel power, however it is far from accurate- in fact I'd go so far as to say its too inaccurate for the police.

I don't think driving the car in a bad state of tune is going to cut the mustard, even if it is dynoed at that power level.

And for the thread starter, for anyone just old enough to get their license, unless you have extensive motorsport experience or something, a 185kw car is a BAD thing.

On the other hand, yeah get it, when you smash it I'll buy the front cut from your grieving parents .

cheers,

floody

[Sonic]

Get a 45kW Laser. At least they top out at 60km/h so WHEN you f--k up, it won't hurt as much. Although you might be killed by an out-of-control 4WD

[ex_zero]

is drifting considered motorsport experience??

[Sonic]

Yes. There is a championship for it. More motor sport than burnouts or dyno shootouts. Yanks want to put it on ESPN as there is now a US-D1 championship slated for 2004. 8 rounds (so far) of action, mostly on the west coast, but with 2 Florida-based rounds looking to join in and a proposal from Hawaii to get involved.

[ex_zero]

really? maaad, so you reckon that would be a good motorsport to pick up, aside from club level track work? i mean, it's cheaper to run(isn't it?) and you get the best fun out of it, i mean, it's drifting!!!!! could be my next job, lol

[Sonic]

Hmmm. Not really the same as club-level racing. You can do both but drifting is like burnout comps: you really need to set the car up specifically for it. Some of the Jap tuning houses and drivers i've talked to through work reckon it's murder on cars and a full rebuild is needed after 1 season of pro competition. You chew tyres and make friends with panel beaters and diff and gearbox specialists...

Remember: a drifter used to be another name for a bum/homeless person/vagrant...