Creating A Monster

[skyhighR33]

hit there i have an idea instead of turboing my na 33 gts-4, since these machines came out with the gtr driveline i was wondering if i could get a gtr block and head then biuld a motor up, i want to use the sump from my gts-4 to keep it awd but am afraid none of this is allowed in s.a and the car will need to be engineered, the engine will take a while to biuld as a lot of the parts are going to cost an arm and a leg(tomei and such) but i am hoping to chase at least 320-400kw from all of this. i will contact lmg to do the tuning anf fitment as they are great at this sort of stuff, can anyone recommend cams,cranks and injectors casically any good brand and part to run in this engine.

cheers... michael

[dyken]

IMO save yourself the hastle and sell that and buy an actual gtr.

Easiest option for you

[Cro_boy_Mario]

or

you could simply rebuild your current motor

ie

Forged rods & pistons

head gasket to suit

bearings

crank work

studs

cams

feul setup

injectors

pump

feul reg

then obviously the turbo setup

something like the GT35/40

or you could put an rb26 setup.....

all depends

[G0DZLR]

RB30 bottom end ftw youl get more torque in the bottom end.

depends whether or not your on P restrictions and cant drive turbos or not?

[central coast person]

well your sump is a GTR one

im rebuilding my engine at the moment mate with 50thou pistons and the bottom end is GTR where it meets the sump and RWD where it meets the head to suit the rb25 head......basically and honestly a gts-4 is a mongrel to work with in parts. If you were to buy a rb26dett you would need to look into a bolt in job as i know that

DIMENSIONS (L x W x H) (mm). NOTE* this is manual, auto engines have different dimensions

rb25de:2wd 845x595x680

rb25de:4wd 845x595x690

rb26dett: 870x656x675

there may need to be some work with the engine mounts but a rb26dett will be able to sit snug in height, the placement of turbos and such are going to probity be placed far away from stock engine bays specs and you may find that your going to have to build a rb26 thats gona look different in the engine bay. Also part wise you will be able to find some GREAT parts just as cheap as a gts-4 part and make 400KW for half the price with EZZEEEEEE

[MissR34]

even i know that 320-400kw out of n/a engine is just stupidity and not even possible.

even if u do get a 2.8l stroker kit and forged pistons/conrods and bigger cams

[central coast person]

even i know that 320-400kw out of n/a engine is just stupidity and not even possible.

even if u do get a 2.8l stroker kit and forged pistons/con rods and bigger cams

most defiantly

2.8l stroker kit and CUSTOM forged pistons(ones with unique crowns that are higher than factory/conrods and bigger cams, Custom exhaust system from extractors to tip, 6 cylinder DCOE 52/48mm (some ridiculous injectors to make requirements of air to fuel Ratio, porting the head, increasing the heads face to an overall compression ratio to 11:1, nitrous-oxide SYSTEM (correct injectors to support this again ..... more matching!!!), MSD ignition modules, ECU ....... other bits and bats yeah i reckon 300kw N/A is possible with the money and right parts

NOT WORTH IT!!!! no even for show. it will just cost so much in fuel and insurance and stuff. MissR34 + 1 with the stupidity

Edited November 9, 2008 by central coast person

[dyken]

I think he wants to build a turbo motor to put in, I don't think he wants to push that power from an NA engine..

[central coast person]

in that case those dimensions are there for what you should do

[MissR34]

+1

[MissR34]

hit there i have an idea instead of turboing my na 33 gts-4, since these machines came out with the gtr driveline i was wondering if i could get a gtr block and head then biuld a motor up, i want to use the sump from my gts-4 to keep it awd but am afraid none of this is allowed in s.a and the car will need to be engineered, the engine will take a while to biuld as a lot of the parts are going to cost an arm and a leg(tomei and such) but i am hoping to chase at least 320-400kw from all of this. i will contact lmg to do the tuning anf fitment as they are great at this sort of stuff, can anyone recommend cams,cranks and injectors casically any good brand and part to run in this engine.

cheers... michael

umm .........

[R34GTFOUR]

umm .........

yeah instead of turboing his rb25de thats in the gts-4, hes talking about sticking a rb26dett in, still turboed

[R34GTFOUR]

most defiantly

2.8l stroker kit and CUSTOM forged pistons(ones with unique crowns that are higher than factory/conrods and bigger cams, Custom exhaust system from extractors to tip, 6 cylinder DCOE 52/48mm (some ridiculous injectors to make requirements of air to fuel Ratio, porting the head, increasing the heads face to an overall compression ratio to 11:1, nitrous-oxide SYSTEM (correct injectors to support this again ..... more matching!!!), MSD ignition modules, ECU ....... other bits and bats yeah i reckon 300kw N/A is possible with the money and right parts

NOT WORTH IT!!!! no even for show. it will just cost so much in fuel and insurance and stuff. MissR34 + 1 with the stupidity

its not na if you use nos, NOS is a type of forced induction

[R34GTFOUR]

hit there i have an idea instead of turboing my na 33 gts-4, since these machines came out with the gtr driveline i was wondering if i could get a gtr block and head then biuld a motor up, i want to use the sump from my gts-4 to keep it awd but am afraid none of this is allowed in s.a and the car will need to be engineered, the engine will take a while to biuld as a lot of the parts are going to cost an arm and a leg(tomei and such) but i am hoping to chase at least 320-400kw from all of this. i will contact lmg to do the tuning anf fitment as they are great at this sort of stuff, can anyone recommend cams,cranks and injectors casically any good brand and part to run in this engine.

cheers... michael

mick is this your first car and are you on your P's?

that sort of power is HUGE on the street, if you havent been in a car with that sort of power, i suggest you start talking to people that do and get them to take you for a spin, its bloooody quick. Its very easy to type numbers but honestly you dont need much more than 300kw's for the street, thats plenty.

Have a read around for r33 gtst, see what people have done to get certain power levels, everything engine wise you learn from the rb25det's can be used for your engine.

Also if you want around the 400kw mark, whilst your gearbox internally is the same as a gtr your rear diff definately isnt. They run the smaller axles (same as the gts skylines) and with that sort of power you'll definately start braking drivetrain parts.

[foney]

+1

[central coast person]

its not na if you use nos, NOS is a type of forced induction

people debate if nitrous-oxide is forced and its not forced induction

just mixes in with the fuel. Just another liquid added to the car which is why i include its input to kW's. Then again i get what your saying and it isnt seen as forced induction in racing but drives are to state yes or no to there cars if there run on nitrous-oxide because its got its own category just for that type of ........ 'enhancement'. Who knows what natural not even plain old ron98 is

agreed with the amount of kW you want for a street car????

if so a 400Kw street car is seen as a work of art getting on the road. Also difficult to drive just because all the parts are going to have to be fairly heavy duty with that power and not street friendly. if your after a street car look how far you can go at making it a desired car with power and comfort for driving because if you make a mistake with the power you most likely wont make money back selling the car or parts to quieten down your car.

[Eug]

most important question. how much are you willing to spend?

[skyhighR33]

thanks for the replies, gtfour a mate at work has a xr6 that made 495+kw at the wheels loosing traction on dyno and is street legal(it can make up to 600rwkatw if the box was done), its quick, i am not after that sort of figure and your right 300kw is what i want to start of with this isn't my first car ive owned a few and am on my p's, as far as i know s.a has no laws bout p platers and hi powered cars as of yet.

money wise is not an option as i can work 12 hour days 13 days thats easy(sort of hard being an apprentice working in the mines). i am also thinking of building the motor up then selling my skyline then buying a gts-t and putting it in, as ive been told that a single turbo engine can make more power than twin in some cases. dont know bout that??.

anyway i will probebly buy a engine then go from there.

cheers... michael

[G0DZLR]

as ive been told that a single turbo engine can make more power than twin in some cases. dont know bout that??.

correct. big singles are the way to go

[MissR34]

its not na if you use nos, NOS is a type of forced induction

its actually classified as assisted"

if u want to buy a nos kit buy mine 600 and its urs