R32 vs R33? Pros and Cons

[Hiroshima Screamer]

nudge nudge wink wink http://www.rb20det.com/danho.html

[XPL_Vspec]

Thanx guys, I do like the look of the r32 -> (looks more like the r34) Will be test driving the R32 GTS4 today. With features regarding safety , it has ABS which is a big plus in my books.

It is pretty stock under the bonnet but previous owner is a GTR enthusiast and has modified the interior and exterior accordingly. Will have to test drive r33's for comparison but sounds like the general consensus is that the R32 provides a good mix of performance, quality, looks and handling.

[JimX]

Pentae, you've quoted GTS-t power but GTR weight there. Actually even then I think they're too heavy, Motortraders says the R32 GTR is only 1430kg, and R33 1530kg. If the figures you quoted were really for a GTS-t, they would run into the 16's I reckon Also only the S13 1.8T Silvias are 1140kg or so. S14 2.0T are around 1220kg.

Anyone curious about power, weight, and standard features of grey imports should have a look at Motortraders Network. It might not be 100% accurate, but I think it's pretty close, and it's definitely the most comprehensive list of these cars and their features that I've seen.

XPL_Vspec, here are some other things to consider when comparing the R32 with R33.

The R33 has, compared to R32:

Bigger injectors

Better flowing engine head (it's not all just about the extra 500cc)

Stonger gearbox

Better brakes (except for compared with R32 Type M, which are about the same)

Smaller boot space (battery is in boot, along with a lot of HICAS gear)

More room

More weight

If you plan on upping the power, the R33 is probably a better base to start with. However, if you can pick up a bargain on an already modified R32, that may be the way to go. Especially if you can find one that has already had an RB25 conversion with gearbox.

[pentae]

Sorry guys, I was copying and pasting out of some google results. We're probably all wrong.

We all know how reliable the net can be for this kind of information.

[pentae]

I would also like to point out that Nobody has mentioned yet that the R32 is about 5-8k cheaper.. for those of you saying 'the r33 is a more powerful base to start with..' how does the r32 compare as a base to start with after you've used the money you've saved on mods?

I'd rather a totally decked out r32 gtst with 8k of performance mods than a stock r33.

[JimX]

Originally posted by pentae

I would also like to point out that Nobody has mentioned yet that the R32 is about 5-8k cheaper.. for those of you saying 'the r33 is a more powerful base to start with..' how does the r32 compare as a base to start with after you've used the money you've saved on mods?

I'd rather a totally decked out r32 gtst with 8k of performance mods than a stock r33.

Wasn't it only me that said that?

Ok, if you start with a stock R32, to bring up to similar spec (hp handling-wise) as an R33 you will need:

Bigger injectors $200?

Bigger brakes $500?

RB25 box and engine $3000?

Laber to fit all the above $1000?

That $8k is already half used up and you haven't even done anything to the power yet. Plus all the time off the road to put it all in. Like I said, if you want an R32 it's probably better to find one with some or all of the above mods already done, unless you plan on keeping it stock. Or just go the whole hog and get a GTR.

I would rather an R32 GTS-t with $8k of performance mods than a stock R33 GTS-t too. But that is assuming that the choices are as black and white as that. They aren't.

Edit: And this is assuming you can even get an R32 for $8k less. I just had a quick look in the trading post and the cheapest R32 GTS-t I could find is $14k. Average around $16k. At least they are holding their value pretty well.

[Spook's_Skyline]

id go with the r33 just because they are newer (and i prefer the looks)

i couldnt be happier with my r33

it can still get its ass end out when required~!

[XPL_Vspec]

Thanx guys for your input. If i was to get an r32 completely stock under the hood, what would the first thing you guys would do? maybe less than $1500 - $2k worth of mods?

[xRHETTx]

I just recently bought a R32 GTSt.

Reasons I bought a R32 over an R33 were:

Less common

Better looking when stock

Slightly cheaper.

Cheaper insurance

Smaller

[xRHETTx]

Can someone confirm that Type M R32's are the only R32's with 4 piston calipers? Ive never seen an R32 that has the 2spot front brakes, does that mean the vast majority of R32 GTSTs in Aus are type M?

[xRHETTx]

Originally posted by XPL_Vspec

Thanx guys for your input. If i was to get an r32 completely stock under the hood, what would the first thing you guys would do? maybe less than $1500 - $2k worth of mods?

Full 3 inch exhaust, including cat and front and dump pipes

Probably wouldnt bother with a pod filter, just get an aftermarket element.

[XPL_Vspec]

Would this be the best mod for the performance and price?

[JimX]

I can't figure out why people choose their cars based on how common they are. Do you really care that much about what other people think?

[RBN1]

???

No need for bigger injectors unless u're going after big HP like 200RWKW+

Bigger Brakes? - R32 Type-M brakes are almost identical to R33 brakes.

RB25Box I can understand this cause the RB20DET box has problems with big HP.

RB25Engine? - mate its only 27kW or so diff between the two DET engines and the 32 is a slightly lighter car.

Originally posted by JimX

Wasn't it only me that said that?

Ok, if you start with a stock R32, to bring up to similar spec (hp handling-wise) as an R33 you will need:

Bigger injectors $200?

Bigger brakes $500?  

RB25 box and engine $3000?

Laber to fit all the above $1000?

That $8k is already half used up and you haven't even done anything to the power yet. Plus all the time off the road to put it all in. Like I said, if you want an R32 it's probably better to find one with some or all of the above mods already done, unless you plan on keeping it stock. Or just go the whole hog and get a GTR.

I would rather an R32 GTS-t with $8k of performance mods than a stock R33 GTS-t too. But that is assuming that the choices are as black and white as that. They aren't.

Edit: And this is assuming you can even get an R32 for $8k less. I just had a quick look in the trading post and the cheapest R32 GTS-t I could find is $14k. Average around $16k. At least they are holding their value pretty well.

[Pekatu]

I don't know about 5-8k cheaper, i reakon for a good cond r32 you are looking at about 18-19+k about the same as an 33

[predator]

I can't figure out why people choose their cars based on how common they are. Do you really care that much about what other people think?

Yer, people are silly choosing a car on that basis. If you look at it that way then ANY skyline is common, except maybe for an R34 GTR or something.

They are much of a muchness in terms of most things and everything seems to balance out a bit.. and don't forget being "more common" for a 33 is often a good thing, means parts and advice might be more readily available.

[T0nyGTSt]

Personally I think this 'common' argument is a little specious.

GTS Skylines are cheap performance cars. For less than $20,000 you're not gonna get a whole lot of exclusivity.

Even twice that for a GT-R isn't gonna get you into some sort of "LOOK AT ME, I CAN DUST FERRARI's" fraternity.

I was looking for power, handling, braking, size (yes I like BIG cars), reasonably cheap mods and a big cabin (show me a bigger coupe interior).

The 33 is really close enough. I really want that 33 GT-R - it's not twice as good but I'll be willing to pay the price to find out.

T.