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Oh dear.

Look it is all bollocks.

At Wanneroo:

The fastest lap time in the 1990 race was Jim Richards at 60.3 seconds.

In 1991 it was Mark Skaife with a 60.42.

In 1992 Jim again with 59.71.

These days the V8's get around the track in a much quicker time. In last years final race (ie when everyones control tyres are stuffed) the winner (Winterbottom) managed a 57.7 second lap. He qualified with a 56.4.

The reality is that at just about any circuit in Australia the Gt-Rs times would put it on the last row of a present day V8 grid.

The other thing you will notice about the old race fottage is how few cars there are in it....

Look I love the GT-R's as much as anyone. Hell I own one. But lets not be too sentimental about Group A racing - the racing was mostly rubbish. Usually nothing would happen until Tony Longhurst (BMW M3) would punt John Bowe (Ford Sierra) off the circuit when his tyres went away.

The only reason the 1991 race time record still stands is you get a safety car about every ten laps these days. The old record stays because a quirk of fate meant they didn't get many safety cars in 1991. Unlike 1992, for instance.

Lastly 650rwhp? Where did that number sprout from? No one has ever claimed the Group A cars ran that kind of horsepower.

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That was epic. I was just the other day looking at some Bathurst racing with the GTR. Thanks

Since mark skaife retired, and he was on Top Gear AU, he said he rolled a GTR once in a race, which I wanna see.

The narrator says 2.5L twin turbo charge inline 6 cylinder engine? WTF 2.5L. But yeh 650 hp, thats awesome.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2Q3f7r_BPE Yeah, 620 hp.

I wonder what the R31's were running? HR31 GTS-R? with a redtop RB20DET? 500hp? The sierra's left them behind...

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That was epic. I was just the other day looking at some Bathurst racing with the GTR. Thanks

Since mark skaife retired, and he was on Top Gear AU, he said he rolled a GTR once in a race, which I wanna see.

The narrator says 2.5L twin turbo charge inline 6 cylinder engine? WTF 2.5L. But yeh 650 hp, thats awesome.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2Q3f7r_BPE Yeah, 620 hp.

I wonder what the R31's were running? HR31 GTS-R? with a redtop RB20DET? 500hp? The sierra's left them behind...

You won't see it. It was a support race for the Australian Grand Prix - at Adelaide. Channel 9 may have broadcast it, but I doubt it. The car was comprehensively fkd. The right front corner all squashed in & the roof somehwat lower than it should be. Inside the car bars are all bent & busted.

The Group A cars were governed by tight rules with regard to turbos. Also the turbo tech in the early 90's was nowhere near as good as now. In any case the gearboxes on the r31's were rubbish - a very common cause of DNF's. They would not have handled any more horsepower than they had - arguably the couldn't handle that properly anyway.

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The fastest lap time in the 1990 race was Jim Richards at 60.3 seconds.

In 1991 it was Mark Skaife with a 60.42.

In 1992 Jim again with 59.71.

These days the V8's get around the track in a much quicker time. In last years final race (ie when everyones control tyres are stuffed) the winner (Winterbottom) managed a 57.7 second lap. He qualified with a 56.4.

Even I managed to get around Wanneroo in 59 seconds in a rev limited formula ford.

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That was epic. I was just the other day looking at some Bathurst racing with the GTR. Thanks

Since mark skaife retired, and he was on Top Gear AU, he said he rolled a GTR once in a race, which I wanna see.

The narrator says 2.5L twin turbo charge inline 6 cylinder engine? WTF 2.5L. But yeh 650 hp, thats awesome.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2Q3f7r_BPE Yeah, 620 hp.

I wonder what the R31's were running? HR31 GTS-R? with a redtop RB20DET? 500hp? The sierra's left them behind...

You won't see it. It was a support race for the Australian Grand Prix - at Adelaide. Channel 9 may have broadcast it, but I doubt it. The car was comprehensively fkd. The right front corner all squashed in & the roof somehwat lower than it should be. Inside the car bars are all bent & busted.

The Group A cars were governed by tight rules with regard to turbos. Also the turbo tech in the early 90's was nowhere near as good as now. In any case the gearboxes on the r31's were rubbish - a very common cause of DNF's. They would not have handled any more horsepower than they had - arguably the couldn't handle that properly anyway.

A large part of the 1990 atcc was raced (and won) in the hr31 wasn't it - I also recall a quote by Jim saying the cars were exceptionally reliable?

In any case, at the time everything in the world was being left behind by the Sierra's so the old rwd hr31's did ok to get the wins they did :happy:

btw 8min 48sec :(

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The R32 GTR's at Bathurst in the early 90's were hitting OVER 300km/h along Conrod Straight. I have sh*tloads of video footage on my home PC of the whole Bathurst races from 1990-91 focussing on the GTR's :P

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A large part of the 1990 atcc was raced (and won) in the hr31 wasn't it - I also recall a quote by Jim saying the cars were exceptionally reliable?

In any case, at the time everything in the world was being left behind by the Sierra's so the old rwd hr31's did ok to get the wins they did :D

btw 8min 48sec :P

Yes the 1990 ATCC was basically won in an R31. Mostly it was due to the unreliability of the DJR Sierras rather than the speed of Freddo's cars.

The R31 started out with approx 370hp in 1988 & evolved to a reputed 460hp in 89.

Their finishing record in endurance racing was lamentable. Mostly it involved gearboxes giving up the ghost. From memory they did Bathurst twice in the R31 - 2 x DNF in 1988 & then in 1989 3rd & 4th (albeit a lap down).

At Sandown in 1988 they had 2 cars DNF, in 1989 they managed 1st & 3rd for their only win & in 1990 they didn't bother to turn up.

Ofcourse the R32 ran at Bathurst in 1990. But if DNF'd there too.

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come on guys the music says it all ""its simply the best, better than all the rest" lol an the nissan gtrs got banned from the races didnt they coz they won so many races an no1 could catch up or some shit. the 620hp was a flywheel reading goin threw 4 wheels loose abit mayb around say 570 but none the less mass amounts of power :blink: gotta love it

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