Fuel Pump Recommendation

[getyayayaout]

hey guys. got an r33 gtst with some subtle mods...

intercooler

pod filter

3'' cat back

turbo tech boost control valve..

wanna add a fuel pump now. what should i go for??

[PM-R33]

Two main options.

Modify a Bosch 040 to fit or buy a Nismo/Tomei direct replacement.

One costs more than the other, the other is a bit more difficult to fit.

[R31Nismoid]

Is Bosch - is good.

plenty of DIY install guide sin DIY section.

[Parag0n]

Sard Intank / Sard Reg

or

Bosch 040 Intank with Turbosmart FPR

Edited January 30, 2010 by Parag0n

[R31Nismoid]

You do not need to change the fuel regulator.

[Parag0n]

You do not need to change the fuel regulator.

Obviously, but it's a cheap upgrade, if you're doing the pump, do the reg as well.

What is the current one the OP's car, 15 years old? +

[NYTSKY]

Nismo intank hands down.

[PM-R33]

Obviously, but it's a cheap upgrade, if you're doing the pump, do the reg as well.

What is the current one the OP's car, 15 years old? +

You don't need a reg. Why change the reg, the factory one is more than fine for nearly any job. Yes the factory one is 15 years old, but they rarely fail and are hassell free. Most aftermarket regs are more hassell than they are worth when in the wrong hands.

Like i said early, the best and easiest choice is a Nismo/Tomei in tank. They are a direct replacement, piece of piss to install and don't have any problems. Their only downside is the cost. The Bosch's are fantastic pumps, they will flow more than the Nismo/Tomei, however they have to be installed correctly, which a lot of people f**k up and then have issues with. We just ripped out an 040 out of my mates S15 and replaced it with a Tomei one becuse the Bosch one wasn't done properly.

[R31Nismoid]

Agreed.

Obviously, but it's a cheap upgrade, if you're doing the pump, do the reg as well.

What is the current one the OP's car, 15 years old? +

It offers no benefit over the factory fuel reg.

It is therefore not an upgrade. So please do not use such words.

Until such a time as the reg fails, and most appear to hang together for 20+ years perfectly fine, then you do not replace it.

That's like saying you should replace the turbo actuators after 15years just because they are old, or replacing the brake master cyclinder.

Just because it's old does not mean there is degraded performance.

[Parag0n]

Agreed.

It offers no benefit over the factory fuel reg.

It is therefore not an upgrade. So please do not use such words.

Until such a time as the reg fails, and most appear to hang together for 20+ years perfectly fine, then you do not replace it.

That's like saying you should replace the turbo actuators after 15years just because they are old, or replacing the brake master cyclinder.

Just because it's old does not mean there is degraded performance.

I disagree completely.

[bigmikespec]

I put in a Bosch 044 and even with the extra Speedflow fittings and such it still worked out $150 cheaper than the Nismo pump, plus if it goes south it is cheap to replace!

I think it would be good practice to measure the fuel pressure with the new pump and make sure that the standard reg. is doing its job, even better practice to replace it however I need new tyres

[PM-R33]

I disagree completely.

Why though? Lets take it to basics and discuss what an aftermarket adjustable fuel pressure regulator is, does and what purpose it serves.

An aftermarket fuel regulator allows you to bump up the fuel pressure when your injectors are maxing out to squeeze out that little bit of extra power out of them. Most people do this to make the stock injectors go that little bit furthur. They are old injectors and do not like to be squeezed passed their safe efficiency. You are just asking for trouble if one suddenly decides to fail and lean out a cylinder.

When going aftermarket injectors, you pick the injectors size to the power you are aiming for, therefore why go an aftermarket regulator. You will just be running them on normal fuel pressure, therefore the aftermarket regulator is doing nothing as far as adjustability is concerned.

The only real application for one is on large power levels when you allready have large injectors and you need to run them at slightly higher fuel pressure to cope due to the stock one not being up to the task. The stock one can easily do 350+rwkw so there isn't a huge group of people doing this, especially the OP.

Main reason why people buy them is if the stock one fails, or if their aftermarket fuel rail can not use a stock fuel pressure regulator, then yes why not buy one they are cheap in most brands. But most of these people are just buying one because they need a fuel pressure regulator, not because they wont to change the stock one to something that is adjustable.

In the OP's situation, an aftermarket reg would be of no benefit and money that could be spent elsewhere.

Edited January 30, 2010 by PM-R33

[Parag0n]

Mainly with R31Nismoid and most if not all of his statements.

Just because it's old does not mean there is degraded performance.

I'm going to frame this, it's hilarious.

[R31Nismoid]

I disagree completely.

Suit yourself. If that is your attitude though, you might as well replace the entire car, every single mechanical piece that operates.

I bet you've not done that, so your own attitude and actions do not match each other.

Practice what one preaches?

Fact is, the fuel reg is either working, or it's not. I've never seen one slowly fail. Once they let go, they let go and you'll know about it when it does.

In the OP's situation, an aftermarket reg would be of no benefit and money that could be spent elsewhere.

[Parag0n]

I bet you've not done that, so your own attitude and actions do not match each other.

Practice what one preaches?

I'm terribly sorry but please do not assume what I practice.

[R31Nismoid]

Mainly with R31Nismoid and most if not all of his statements.

I'm going to frame this, it's hilarious.

Frame away, but make sure the plaque underneath it says.

"I don't practice what i preach, nor do i have any clue mechanically."

To think that something mechanical cannot be built to work over many years without replacement, and as good as the first day it was made... Is naive at best.

I'm terribly sorry but please do not assume what I practice.

I don't need to assume, i know.

No-one in their right mind would replace every part on a car because it "might" be worn without any proof or fact.

[Parag0n]

"I don't practice what i preach, nor do i have any clue mechanically."

Again, please do not assume.

You're incorrect on several levels.

My condolences.

[R31Nismoid]

Prove it.

Prove the majority of Nissan OEM Reg's are not upto the task after 15 years, and i'll believe you.

[PM-R33]

The thing is the stock FPR is a very simple piece of mechanics, there is very little "wear and tear" on it and not much that can fail. Hence the size of the thing, there isn't much to it.

[Parag0n]

Do not have the required resources to satisfy your unreasonable request.

As long as you think you're correct, that should provide enough satisfaction.

If you believe me to be incorrect, I have no problem with it.

I do not ask for unreasonable requests and result to personal insults, would be degrading and a bad example.