Vg30de In A Cefiro

[who's next]

I am just doing some research, i have access to a vg30de engine in mint condition and i wanted to know if anyone has ever attempted to put this engine in a cefiro (a31). if this has been done what issues do you face when doing this transplant. the reason i am asking is that i am getting this engine for half the price of a rb25det, based on what i have seen the vg30 is only 30hp less than the rb25, so the savings might just be worth the 30 less hp. any ideas on this?

Thanks

[Dan_J]

depends on what u want out of it, they are a hard engine to work on as they take up way too much engine bay room. shudn't be too hard to fit, may need a modded crossmember

is it worth the effort and $$? i'd go VQ30 tho

[Nic_A31]

There's one on CarDomain with a Z32 VG30DETT setup in there.

LINK HERE:

http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2587628

They're pretty heavy engines and use very very complicated vacuum and idle control setups....with that said, they're just over half the length of an RB, so better handling and weight balance, depending on their intake setup, they usually rev up alot quicker than RBs as well.

(EDIT: on that note...they're not too heavy, around 170-200kg I think...I've got a block here, I rolled that halfway down the driveway by myself, where as with the RB, no hope)

VQ is all alloy so you dont even need a crane to put the motor in, 2 person lift, but if you want VG I'd suggest you go forced induction.

Best VG option is to get the VG30DE and add turbo's, so you have higher compression, and don't worry about internals, VGs will happily support over 1000+ horsepower with their stock internals all day.

I know Z32 5 speed manual gearboxes can go into a Cefiro on a modified S13 crossmember., not sure about mounting the motor.

It's a tight fit, so consider heat (ie steering rack), also consider maintainence......to change turbo's on a Z32 is an engine out job, so any mods you have planned, you'll want to do BEFORE it goes in, and make sure you spend some cash supporting the mods so they don't fail.

Edited July 25, 2010 by Nic_A31

[toffy]

f*kin hell , what an awesome conversion that pic is!!! , pvc piping , cable tie radiator mounts , wd40 bottle hangin over the lh turbo .... got time bomb much???

[Nic_A31]

Asia.....once saw on CarDomain "custom HICAS lock bar" .... castor rods welded onto the diff and the rear knuckle where the HICAS arm connects..... soo f**kin' dodgey over there.

[toffy]

hmmm , interesting lol

[who's next]

Thanks guys, i really had my heart set on the rb25det but its just that i was getting the vg30de for half the price of the 25. so i would do some more research before making up my mind. i kind of like the idea of doing something different if you know what i mean, but if its going to be 2 nuch work then i would go with the 25. would let u know how it turns out

thanks again

[Mr Eps]

"different" isn't always good, man!

and same way - good... isn't always different

VG30DE is a very tired engine, every dollar you save by getting a VG30 instead of an RB25 will be spent on custom fabrication and breakdowns

also

think how EASY it is to replace parts on RB25 now?

(should something go wrong)

trust me - save your money, be patient, and get the RB

[Nic_A31]

Consider SR20DET, that's sort of something different and stupidly easy.

SR crossmembers, SR motor and box, only custom work you need to do is exhaust, and wiring up the ECU loom into the interior.

Better weight balance, lighter, easy to work on.

[32 4whore]

would tail shaft be the same?

I would of thought the tail shaft woul dbe different.

VG30De = too hard basket

As some one has stated above. It will cost more to put the VG in then it would a RB25. Custom everything for the VG. RB25 will go in with minor mods.

[who's next]

i think i would hold out for the rb25 (neo), thanks for the input guys

[daisu]

yeah, if you were going to consider the VG30 because it was cheaper, then I'd recommend looking at SR20.

I just put one in mine and couldn't recommend it more often.

[toffy]

i think i would hold out for the rb25 (neo), thanks for the input guys

yeah, if you were going to consider the VG30 because it was cheaper, then I'd recommend looking at SR20.

I just put one in mine and couldn't recommend it more often.

really? , i've heard mixed reports about sr in cefiro/laurel (versus rb25) , honestly , i don't know what the big problem with the baby rb is? rev all day , take lots of punishment and sound reasonable , lag is an issue if your used to big capacity engines i suppose?

[Mr Eps]

*ahem*

i have something i've prepared to say...

...i have had cefiro for six years. been RB20DE+T for 4 years. never had a problem with it.

engine still retains free rev. engine still retains high compression (which i think combats lack of torque) and because i went purely for standard (small) RB20 turbo bits and only mod being the R34 SMIC - my car runs GREAT

boost hits about 2.5K (or i think - it's VERY VERY early in the power band)

it's VERY responsive

it's VERY quick

it sounds more angry than 20DET

everyone that's come to buy my car has test driven it and has said that under acceleration it's FAR more impressive than a standard RB20det, (i wouldn't know i have never driven one)

but yeah

personally i think RB is the best option for cefiro - i never defend it cos when i do i get flamed

but personally - my engine runs EXCELLENT. it has been known to slay R33 rb25det, so i'm over the moon about that.

[who's next]

i drove in a cefiro with a 25det and it was d best, lots of power and fun, so that's my goal for my baby, just enough power to have some fun

[daisu]

I've got nothing against the 20 or the 25. My suggestion was that if he was considering a VG swap simply because of the cost factor, then it would be worth looking at an SR swap due to it being a lot simpler (compared to the VG).

What about instead of the RB25, put an RB30 bottom end with a 25 head.

[Conrad 2NR]

Where he's from a SR20 would cost more than a RB25 and a RB30 short block can sometimes cost twice the amount of a complete RB25.

[who's next]

Correct Conrad, why are engines so expensive in Trinidad, i was getting the vg30 for 6,000.00 where the rb25det would cost approx 12,000.00 and the rb25det neo goes for about 15,000.00. the sr20 would be around 12,000.00. don't even talk about rb26dett they would be 20,000+, its been a little while since i have gone looking for an engine but last yr when i decide to not fix the signgle cam and go turbo these were the prices i was getting. So i am not sure what the current prices are, but the longer i stick is the more expensive it becomes

[iseekool]

*ahem*

i have something i've prepared to say...

...i have had cefiro for six years. been RB20DE+T for 4 years. never had a problem with it.

engine still retains free rev. engine still retains high compression (which i think combats lack of torque) and because i went purely for standard (small) RB20 turbo bits and only mod being the R34 SMIC - my car runs GREAT

boost hits about 2.5K (or i think - it's VERY VERY early in the power band)

it's VERY responsive

it's VERY quick

it sounds more angry than 20DET

everyone that's come to buy my car has test driven it and has said that under acceleration it's FAR more impressive than a standard RB20det, (i wouldn't know i have never driven one)

but yeah

personally i think RB is the best option for cefiro - i never defend it cos when i do i get flamed

but personally - my engine runs EXCELLENT. it has been known to slay R33 rb25det, so i'm over the moon about that.

YEP. High compression + some mild boost = early power delivery and excellent torque at low RPMs - power always on tap - minimal lag - best combination for day-to-day and highway cruising. (similar style to the Euro turbo cars ie. BMW 335)

[Conrad 2NR]

Try Hassan from Pasea. 729-8684

You should get decent prices. Was quoted a decent figure on a RB26 engine alone...close to the NEO price you quoted.