Vsi-50 New Law Looking To Come In About Ride Hight

[aza]

http://www.andrewstoner.com.au/images/stor..._VSI-50_Doc.pdf

[N1GTR]

I wonder how many LandCruiser owners will be pulled over with their raised suspension, nothing says theyre targeting lowered cars, merely "modified".

Note, this is sarcasm.

[DAS KAMU]

Here we go again

how can you get info for imported parts like coil overs etc ?

[phat_man]

Excuse my immaturity, but how funny is that guy's name

This could also be in relation to how crap some of the roads in NSW are. If they increase the restrictions in regards to legal car heights, it means they dont have to compensate as many people.

[Daleo]

If you read the section "frequently asked questions, it states that there is no hard data to support the case that raised or lowered vehicles are over represented in crash statistics. This is the introduction of a criteria to collect statistics. Statistics can then be gathered to support a particular type of argument.

Or, read another way, young people drive lowered cars, young people have more accidents; voila; lowered cars are dangerous, therefore placing the blame for the accident squarely on the drivers dangerous vehicle, NOT the crappy road, NOT the crappy training provided for learner drivers, NOT the drunken f##kwit who swerved into your lane; No, no it was that lowered car...

Now we don't have to fix roads, we don't have to make hard decisions about how we train drivers, nor do we have to put more police on the streets to catch the really dangerous drivers. We can just blame a young guy in a lowered car for the lot. Hit the easy target.

Or maybe I'm just paranoid...

[oweban]

Or, read another way, young people drive lowered cars, young people have more accidents; voila; lowered cars are dangerous

Faulty syllogism on RTA's behalf

[Cassbo]

I'm going to play devil's advocate for a moment and quote an email I received from Drummond Motorsport when I enquired about their coilovers

It is important you run close to standard ride height minus 20mm (maximum lowest). This is important due to geometry.

I read this as "for optimum performance, you should lower your car by 20mm at most" which makes the 50mm amount seem pretty reasonable.

I still think it's a bad idea. Last year I went camping in Victoria and drove my R33 down packed to the bullshit with a friend... with a combination of this legislation, the additional weight inside the car, the compliance of my standard springs and the sag of my 14 year old standard springs could very well drop my car into defect territory!

Still, I think it would be difficult to enforce... the enforcer would have to have a book that covers ever single make, model and badge/trim level... that will be a MASSIVE book

[Daleo]

I'm going to play devil's advocate for a moment and quote an email I received from Drummond Motorsport when I enquired about their coilovers

I read this as "for optimum performance, you should lower your car by 20mm at most" which makes the 50mm amount seem pretty reasonable.

I still think it's a bad idea. Last year I went camping in Victoria and drove my R33 down packed to the bullshit with a friend... with a combination of this legislation, the additional weight inside the car, the compliance of my standard springs and the sag of my 14 year old standard springs could very well drop my car into defect territory!

Still, I think it would be difficult to enforce... the enforcer would have to have a book that covers ever single make, model and badge/trim level... that will be a MASSIVE book

I think you'd be ok with your car fully loaded with camping gear and mates, the quote was something along the lines of a car at roughly standard weight, etc.

Regarding the enforcement issue, I'd be betting it's going to be fairly subjective, I.E."That car looks a bit low there sunshine", "No officer, it's within the legal guidelines" "Oh really, well why don't we let the inspection station take care of that" *affixes defect notice* Much the same as a "loud" exhaust. All depends on the situation, and how "respectful" you are at the time.

Also did anyone else spot the form you MUST submit to the RTA if you "Owner Certify" your height change mod, even within the 50mm limit? Did owner certification have to be backed by documentation previously?

Surely without a current copy of that form, you'd be on for an instant defect.

[FrangaR33]

I think you'd be ok with your car fully loaded with camping gear and mates, the quote was something along the lines of a car at roughly standard weight, etc.

Regarding the enforcement issue, I'd be betting it's going to be fairly subjective, I.E."That car looks a bit low there sunshine", "No officer, it's within the legal guidelines" "Oh really, well why don't we let the inspection station take care of that" *affixes defect notice* Much the same as a "loud" exhaust. All depends on the situation, and how "respectful" you are at the time.

Also did anyone else spot the form you MUST submit to the RTA if you "Owner Certify" your height change mod, even within the 50mm limit? Did owner certification have to be backed by documentation previously?

Surely without a current copy of that form, you'd be on for an instant defect.

Seems to me that you have to tell them even if its within the 50mm limit "the RTA must be notified of modifcations that raise or lower the vehicles original trim height, other than altering the ride height by changing the outside diameter of the wheel and tyre combination"

How quickly is this going to be forgotten about by the RTA if implemented they already have enough shit on their plate without having to worry about this stupid shit dreamt up by the politicians.

On the lighter side of this if it does happen I wont have to worry about f**kwits in their jacked up landcruisers sitting their bumpers at the same level as the roof of my car (Commodore wagon standard height), literally filling up the back window.

[Daleo]

Seems to me that you have to tell them even if its within the 50mm limit "the RTA must be notified of modifcations that raise or lower the vehicles original trim height, other than altering the ride height by changing the outside diameter of the wheel and tyre combination"

How quickly is this going to be forgotten about by the RTA if implemented they already have enough shit on their plate without having to worry about this stupid shit dreamt up by the politicians.

On the lighter side of this if it does happen I wont have to worry about f**kwits in their jacked up landcruisers sitting their bumpers at the same level as the roof of my car (Commodore wagon standard height), literally filling up the back window.

Spot on, that's how I read it.

Yeh, I'm with you on the fourbies, although it should be noted, the 4WD community and associated businesses were instrumental in getting the first version of this abortion removed. They seem to pack a bit more clout as a group than us annoying car enthusiasts.

[aza]

a lot of 4x4 oners have never picked up that under the current rules there is a max hight you head lites can be off the ground which off off the top of my head is around a 50mm lift

so all the real high ones dont pass anyway and dont seam to get pulled over

[D3bb4]

so the RTA/State Government thinks they know more about vehicle dynamics than engineers??? retards. ADR's are strict enough.

[mr 32]

where is SK he had some great info last time

[The Bogan]

Low is slow.

Im following SK guidelines for ride height to a point, 355 from the guard to the center of the rim for the front and 345 at the rear, Bilsteins(adjustable with a circlip) with king springs, car handles like its on rails, heaps better than the old G4,s they replaced, you can hit bumps mid corner and the car just soaks it up and keeps on going, but then that is what suspension is meant to do.

Have a look under any low high spec race car, lots more done than a cheesey set of coilovers, as Cas said its all about geometry.

Also I LOL at all the cars zig zaging over speed humps, smashing front bars on driveways and making their car handle like crap by slamming their street cars.

PS, I like jacked up 4x4,s, I had a Ford Bronco which was lifted, had a 351 auto, 3 inch single exhaust, the thing sounded like war and ate small hatch backs for breakfast.

[simpletool]

Agree - If your Skyline is lowered more than 50mm it's not much of a road car.