Jump to content
SAU Community

Recommended Posts

Speaking from the Cressida experience, set no.1 piston to top-dead-centre lining up markers on the cam gears making sure it was for the compression cycle, think i needed the cam covers off to check it was, then had to line up a marker on the dizzy to a mark on the block and that basicly got it all lined up. Not sure how nissan engines are set up though, best bet is a workshop manual on how to set timing.

  • Replies 44
  • Created
  • Last Reply

Top Posters In This Topic

^^ sounds like this may be the drama...

i think lining up the red marker on the harmonic balancer (0 degrees) with the mark on the lower timing belt cover is TDC...

take the cas off while i do this. then line it back up once its at TDC?

Here is SKs article again:

http://www.skylinesaustralia.com/forums/Ca...m-B-t73824.html

If you are not absolutely confident that you have the timing correct than please take it to a competent workshop if there is one in your city - you don't want to redo all the last few weeks' work.

Yes the fuel lines will hold alot of pressure even when the car is off, there are check valves that do this so there is pressure at the injectors next time you start the car. I'll take a pics of my fuel lines when I get home this arvo, I'm running the stock setup.

It won't be the ignition timing if, all the cam gear and crank pulley marks lined up when you put the timing belt on, and the cas was installed correctly. Even if your cas is in the wrong position, retarded or advanced, the engine will still start. I wouldn't worry about the firing sequence as the NEO's coils and coilpack loom only fit in one way, it would be hard to mix them up.

The fuel injectors don't fire directly into the cylinder, they fire into the intake valve camber, so as long as the injectors fire, the fuel will get into the cylinder. it has nothing really to do with the exhaust cam and valves. An easy way to test the injectors and coils are firing is to remove the CAS, leave it plugged in, switch the ignition to "ON", and spin the CAS by hand, you will easily here the injectors tick and coils fire.

The nistune maps will be stock, but have you tested the ecu works? And are you running the stock AFM and injectors?

Edited by QWK32
remove the CAS, leave it plugged in, switch the ignition to "ON", and spin the CAS by hand, you will easily here the injectors tick and coils fire.

Very good point.

The nistune maps will be stock, but have you tested the ecu works? And are you running the stock AFM and injectors?

At the moment to get it running he has got stock injectors and AFM yes, once its running they are coming out and bigger cc and z32 before its towed to tuner. Dont believe the ECU has been tested to check if it works or not.

If the fuel pump is working, and it does, and the fuel is going nowhere caus it spupts out, would this not indicate a problem with the fuel relief valve.???. Check and make sure none of your boost/vacuum lines are split or pinched off with say a zip tie.

I had a guy with a laptop check mine over last week, cost $80 at home. AFM, A/F ratio, spark, timing, injectors all checked out OK. I still have a prob somewhere but at least I know what is NOT wrong.

The fuel pumps fine...

Ill give this injector and coil test a crack...

If the fuel pump is working, and it does, and the fuel is going nowhere caus it spupts out, would this not indicate a problem with the fuel relief valve.???. Check and make sure none of your boost/vacuum lines are split or pinched off with say a zip tie.

I had a guy with a laptop check mine over last week, cost $80 at home. AFM, A/F ratio, spark, timing, injectors all checked out OK. I still have a prob somewhere but at least I know what is NOT wrong.

So might pay to rip the cam

Cover off and have a look... The 2 cam poimts will b lined up if the cranks on the red (0 degrees) marker yeah?? This will tell me if im a tooth out and if inj and coils are working at same time.

The ecu is my old 1 chipped. Unlikely its the issue but maybe worh ruleingout

The fuel pumps fine...

Ill give this injector and coil test a crack...

So might pay to rip the cam

Cover off and have a look... The 2 cam poimts will b lined up if the cranks on the red (0 degrees) marker yeah?? This will tell me if im a tooth out and if inj and coils are working at same time.

The ecu is my old 1 chipped. Unlikely its the issue but maybe worh ruleingout

yeah, the cam marks will line up once every 2 turn of the crank. i.e 1 cam rotation = 2 crank rotations. don't worry about the markings on the belt, they only line up sometimes.

i also agree that its unlikely the ecu, its just an idea that as you say would be worth ruling out. i only mentioned it as i was thinking along the lines of the base image/map not being saved to the board after nistune was installed. probably very unlikely as anyone installing it would have checked it was all ok before giving it back to you.

removing the cas and spinning it manually will give you a good idea if the ecu is working anyway. if the injectors and coils fire then you know the ecu is getting the CAS signal processing it and telling them to fire.

Replace injectors,afm then tow that peice of shit to turbotune and get mike to figure it out

Ps- is Adam your mate chris?

lol blow me...

seems my fuel lines are round the wrong way :D .... will report back :)

so the car started... had a very big fuel leak at the rear injector,

.... gota take em out and have a play... im guessing just an o-ring drama... :P

y cant the rail be as easy to get to as an rb26 :P

lol blow me...

seems my fuel lines are round the wrong way :P .... will report back :P

Was looking at that last night. WTF!!! Looked at the pics and thought "no one could do that, except me"

My fuel lines are actually arse about. Fuel comes in at the back and unloads at the front. This is a mod that was done with FFP.

Hope you are getting sorted.

ok so the cars running....

seems to be pretty good apart from a few things...

how much coolant should it take? i would no have around 9-10L in it i rekn

ive filled it up on level ground, ran it whit bleed nipple (manifold) off, and a funnel with a fair bit in it.

how ever it doesnt seem to want to come out the bleed nipple unless its turned off/turning off....

i can squeeze the thermostat hose and it will shoot up a little bit, but its only once its off that it shoots out as if it should...??

also the turbo wheel sounds to be spinning down once the cars turned off... its a hks 2535 and ive never ran it b4... it only does it once it starts to get a bit of heat into it (no where nere running temp) but still too warm to touch.

also the turbo wheel sounds to be spinning down once the cars turned off... its a hks 2535 and ive never ran it b4... it only does it once it starts to get a bit of heat into it (no where nere running temp) but still too warm to touch.

Typical of a ball bearing turbo. They spin alot more freely over bush ones

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now



  • Similar Content

  • Latest Posts

    • Yeah, they look good. I should try to fit them on mine. But being a GTSt, the guard shape probably doesn't suit properly.
    • Nah, it's not a simple voltage divider. I'm not enough of an electronics guru to know how they make these circuits work. If I had a better idea of how the ECU's temperature measuring is done, I could then actually do as you want, which is turn that resistance chart into a voltage chart. But my approach has not worked. What I did was interpolate the sensor ohms values for the temperatures you listed, as you did not have any of them on a temperature ending in zero or 5. These are: °C ECU V sensor ohms (interpolated) 58 2.68 11.85 57 2.7 11.89 56 2.74 11.93 54 2.8 12.01 49 3.06 12.208 47 3.18 12.284 43 3.37 12.42 I then assumed 5V supply to the resister and calculated the voltage drop across the sensor for each of those, which is just 5 - the above voltages, and then calculated the current that must be flowing through the sensor. So you get:             Values in sensor °C ECU V sensor ohms (interpolated) Supply volts Volt drop Current 58 2.68 11.85     5 2.32 0.195781 57 2.7 11.89     5 2.3 0.19344 56 2.74 11.93     5 2.26 0.189438 54 2.8 12.01     5 2.2 0.183181 49 3.06 12.208     5 1.94 0.158912 47 3.18 12.284     5 1.82 0.14816 43 3.37 12.42     5 1.63 0.13124 And then use that current and the ECU's sensed voltage (which must be the voltage drop across the in ECU resister is there is one) to calculate the resistance of that in ECU resistor. You get:             Values in sensor   Other resistor °C ECU V sensor ohms (interpolated) Supply volts Volt drop Current   Volt Drop Resistance 58 2.68 11.85     5 2.32 0.195781   2.68 13.68879 57 2.7 11.89     5 2.3 0.19344   2.7 13.95783 56 2.74 11.93     5 2.26 0.189438   2.74 14.46381 54 2.8 12.01     5 2.2 0.183181   2.8 15.28545 49 3.06 12.208     5 1.94 0.158912   3.06 19.25592 47 3.18 12.284     5 1.82 0.14816   3.18 21.46325 43 3.37 12.42     5 1.63 0.13124   3.37 25.67816 And that's where it falls apart, because the resulting resistance would need to be the same for all of those temperatures, and it is not. So clearly the physical model is not correct. Anyway, you or someone else can use that information to go forward if someone has a better physical model. I can also show you how to interpolate for temperatures between those in the resistance chart. It's not fun because you've got to either do it like I did it for every 5°C range separately, or check to see if the slope remains constant over a wide range, then you can just work up a single formula. I'm just showing how to do it for a single 5° span. For the 58°C temperature, resistance = 11.77+2*(11.97-11.77)/5 The calc is a little arse backwards because the resistance is NTC (negative temperature coefficient), so the slope is negative, but I'm lazy, so I just treated 58 as if it was 2 degrees away from 60, not 3 degrees away from 55, and so on.
    • Um.... This is not easy. I will have a fiddle with it, but make no promises. I think, given the explicit resistances vs temperature, and your ECU measured voltages, it should be possible to match them up. I will do that by assuming a 5V supply from ECU to sensor, find out how much current would have to flow to produce that voltage, then use that current as a .... nah f**k. That won't work. The supply voltage is fixed, but there's nothing to say that the ECU regulates the current too. Um... I dunno. I guess there's a voltage divider setup in the ECU. As in, there's another resistance between the ECU's sense terminal and ground. That way, as the sensor resistance changes, that's how they get a floating voltage that varies with the temperature, without having to control the current. Give me a minute or 3.
    • *that* is a question for chatgpt (or someone that understands maths....but I'd try chatty). Drop them the table and ask for the formula
    • Alright. Exhaust has been looked at, and booked in 'soon'. I'm not 100% convinced it's going to be as good as possible but I'm going to go with it anyway. If I get a reasonable thing that works for 10 years I mean that's twice as long as I've lived with the current one. I have a more pressing issue. I have fixed my MPVI3 (by buying a new one). Excellently, one can wire in analog 0-5v inputs to the ECU itself. I had wideband already via Serial so I also wired it in via the direct input. The idea being I can use the standalone logging without a laptop and have Wideband data in it. The other wire I thought I'd use oil temp. This is where I've gone crazy. HPTuners requires you to implement a formula so you know how much volts = how much temp. This seems relatively simple to me. However I cannot find the scale for this anywhere on the internet, nor decipher how to figure it out without removing the sensor from the car. All I know is that voltage actually goes up as temperature goes down. I am using the actual gauge, so I can see what the temp is. The signal wire has been branched off into the MPVI3. EXAMPLE: 2.68v = 58C 2.7 = 57C 2.74v = 56C 2.8V = 54C 3.06V = 49C 3.18V = 47C 3.37V = 43C I think the gauge is 50-150C. It may be more. It may be less, because I can't find it for the love of f**k. It appears all the information about the gauges I have has been scoured from the internet, but the sender is VDO 320.021 I believe the resistance chart is this How the f**k do I convert this to a voltage? Once I have a voltage... I then have to perform this transform of said voltage to show it in the scanner: https://www.hptuners.com/help/VCM-Scanner/Content/vcm_scanner/defining_a_transform.htm @GTSBoy you're probably my only hope here TEST YOUR MIGHT
×
×
  • Create New...