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Mark Webber's Williams years provided a favourite anecdote about him, which says a lot about his determination, sense of justice and humour. Like all top Aussie sportsmen, Webber is not immune to a f

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A rounded off nose would have made that car. Like the colour scheme, the rest looks okay the ferrari style step nose not so much. heres to redbull changing to secret bits before melbourne..

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Sauber looking fab fortunately they normally get a bit of screen time

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Time to play the music, time to light the lights? The Red Bull muppet is at it again.

Dr Helmut Marko backtracked on Tuesday, revealing Red Bull will in fact not finalise its 2014 driver lineup this weekend in Belgium.

Earlier, amid reports the world champion team has decided to promote Daniel Ricciardo to replace the Le Mans-bound Mark Webber, Marko told Germany's Sport Bild that "we will make an announcement at Spa".

But on Tuesday, the Austrian was quoted by SID news agency: "We will express ourselves when the time comes, and that will definitely not be at Spa."

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Yeh, talk is that Kimi's management are meeting RBR again at Spa for final discussions. I really want Kimit o stay at Lotus. Hate to see farktart Hulk in at Lotus. :(

The Joe Saward publication is actually veyr good as he only writes a few bibs and bobs, its mostly some other old school journos with good insight!

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Hang on....he gave JEV his points finish in India. Fuel problem robbed him off points in Monza....if you go back to last year Dan was flat our robbed of points so it was very close. Dan had more points finishes despite being robbed in Monza to boot.

India?

At Monza, at least Dan had better luck thean Vergne whose suspension failed early in the race.

Yes Dan had more points finishes last year, but never finished as high as Vergne did. Vergne got 8th place four times. Dan never finished that high. And again this year, Vergne has provided their best result so far.

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India?

At Monza, at least Dan had better luck thean Vergne whose suspension failed early in the race.

Yes Dan had more points finishes last year, but never finished as high as Vergne did. Vergne got 8th place four times. Dan never finished that high. And again this year, Vergne has provided their best result so far.

What a lap down in Canada?

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6th and first of the cars one lap down is alot better than 2 laps down and 15th...

Rather than trying to dismiss it as shit for being a lap down, it was actually a 6th earnt fair and square. No wierd weather conditions, safety cars or retirements from regular front runners contributed to it, unlike Dan's two highest finishes this year - 7th in China where Webber, Rosberg and Sutil all retired. And 8th at Silverstone where the tyres played havoc with the field and took out Vergne and Grosjean, safety cars heavily influenced the race and Vettel retired with gearbox dramas. Those results are just dumb luck, and flatter Dan in the points tally.

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6th and first of the cars one lap down is alot better than 2 laps down and 15th...

Rather than trying to dismiss it as shit for being a lap down, it was actually a 6th earnt fair and square. No wierd weather conditions, safety cars or retirements from regular front runners contributed to it as has been the sace for Dan's two highest finishes this year - 7th in China where Webber, Rosberg and Sutil all retired. And 8th at Silverstone where the tyres played havoc with the field and took out Vergne and Grosjean, safety cars heavily influenced the race and Vettel retired with gearbox dramas.

I was dismissing it because it was so far off the front runners pace. That McLaren & Sauber were both horrible that weekend helped no end. It depends on how you measure things - say 20 seconds down at the end of the race and 8th or 60 seconds down and 4th. Which is better or more competitive? For my outlook when looking at the driver I would go for the second of the two options - but then Im not a big Button or Perez fan either as outright speed is, for me, the mark of an up and coming talent. As the old saying goes - it is easier to to smooth a speedy driver than speed up a smooth driver.*

*OK I just made that up. Doesnt make it wrong, however.

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I think points finish results from a team like torro Rosso need to to taken with a grain of salt as there are so many factors influencing results, both have had good and bad showings however it seems that Dan has more overall pace and the big team with all the data seems to have come to the same conclusion as they are considering him and not jev for the role of "sebs bitch / constructor points gatherer." Kimi will get the drive however as from a marketing point of view that makes the most sense and redbull are the definition of marketing. Having said that rbr may not be the best thing for Dan anyway he will go there and cone of second best to seb and become a career number 2. I'd much rather see him get out of the red bull program and go to lotus.

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The real fear of kimi back at the fuzz has forced RBR to re-negotiate their position with him

Article? Or your speculation?

Hmms this weekend is going to be good. I'm sure interested as feck to see who gets the seats and then the reshuffle for next year.

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Article? Or your speculation?

Hmms this weekend is going to be good. I'm sure interested as feck to see who gets the seats and then the reshuffle for next year.

Most F1 articles are all speculation anyway....

Kimi to TCAD would be bad for Red Bull but no idea why he would want to go back there anyway.

Who else for the # 2 Ferrari seat, though? Maybe a Lotus/Ferrari bidding war for Hulkenberg?

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Roy Grand Master

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India?

At Monza, at least Dan had better luck thean Vergne whose suspension failed early in the race.

Yes Dan had more points finishes last year, but never finished as high as Vergne did. Vergne got 8th place four times. Dan never finished that high. And again this year, Vergne has provided their best result so far.

In India (Actually...may have been Korea) Dan had a spin wioth a dozen laps to go when I think it was a swaybar or something failed in the car and it started pullling under brakes. He limped home to 9th giving 8th position to Jev in the process

As well as looking at points you need to consider Dan had 5 points finishes...should have been 6 but the fuel pump failure at Monza with a lap to go.

So not saying it means more ... but its a differenrt measure which when you factor with quali performance gives rise to possibility the thinking behing why they thingk Dan is ready for the step to RBR and not Jev. More points finishes....superior quali performance etc etc

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Ah, ok. Yes you are right I would hate it.

Anyway Singapore in four weeks near on. Has anyone any recommendations for the trip?

What stand? I am starting to think it is easier to catch an Asian race. I really want to catch a last OS race of Webber. Singas I imagine is rubbish for spectating.

Plus, your life will never be the same after a trip to the right places in Singapore :)

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