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33Spec2

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Just wondering if any1 has taken a fine to court and got off in particular running a red light fine as ive been hit with $150 and 3demerits for apparently going through a red light in which i didnt (youd hav to be stupid to run a red light on riverside drive in peakhour traffic) the only thing i can think of is that i went over the line ?

i havent viewed the photos yet but correct me if im wrong there is 2 photos taken one right after the first and if im still in the second photo i obviously didnt go through

am i still gonna get screwed just for going over a line by a few millimeters?

just wanted 2 see if there is a way out of this bullshit fine but im thinkin im probably stuffed :)

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i dont think its the line that sets it off, i thought it was after the line, pressure plate in the ground? , get the photo have a look, when i have a look at multanova pictures they are held in curtin house, well thats where the last one was? , if you ran it and can see in the picture theres not much you can do, if its a bit dodgy or your only a little bit over, absoloutely fight i , it goes to petty sessions, usually the judge looks at the facts and rules without you saying much or anything at all, so yeah , hope the photo is crap :)

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The line itself isn't the one that sets it off... It's further up, toward the middle of the intersection. and YES, they take two photo's right after each other, this is used to prove you went THROUGH the light and not stopped on the line...

Good luck either way dude. Let us know how it turns out!

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A couple of years ago I stopped at the lights at welshpool rd but just over the line. the camera flashed twice but I hadn't gone thru. I phoned the next morning to explain that I hadn't gone thru' and they said that the second photo would prove if I had kept going. She said that if I was still in the same spot (even though just over the line) I wouldn't get fined. Well I never received a notice so that was a relief.

The pressure plate must be at the line because I stopped maybe a foot (300mm) over the line.

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The line itself isn't the one that sets it off... It's further up, toward the middle of the intersection.

Well i've been in the same situation and i can say its the line that sets it off.

Its different in different areas though, you can see how they've chopped into that section, they take alot out of the ground to put all the wires and stuff in.

Yeah i didn't get off mine at Innaloo and mine was at like 11pm on a Monday night, i bascially stopped right on the line.

Oh there was something i tried to fight with, it was that the 2 lights are an indicator at how fast you are driving, they measure the distance between the first and second flash to determine distance.

As i stopped right on the line i wasn't going anyway, technically not moving but they said that i triggered the alarm because i was on the line and that is a very late stop, i would have failed my drivers test if i did it etc etc, not going to listen to you the fine stands.

But you may get luckier than i was.

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Well i've been in the same situation and i can say its the line that sets it off.

Its different in different areas though, you can see how they've chopped into that section, they take alot out of the ground to put all the wires and stuff in.

Yeah i didn't get off mine at Innaloo and mine was at like 11pm on a Monday night, i bascially stopped right on the line.

Oh there was something i tried to fight with, it was that the 2 lights are an indicator at how fast you are driving, they measure the distance between the first and second flash to determine distance.

As i stopped right on the line i wasn't going anyway, technically not moving but they said that i triggered the alarm because i was on the line and that is a very late stop, i would have failed my drivers test if i did it etc etc, not going to listen to you the fine stands.

But you may get luckier than i was.

The second light is to confirm if you did in fact go thru' as the shiela told me when I phoned up about it. It's got stuff all to do with measuring speed. To measure speed in a front or rear shot would require markings on the road to determine the exact position of the vehicle in both shots. Side shots would be easier.

The lines are a guide as to where to stop and the fact that a person has gone just over rather than proceed thru the intersection would show a court or anyone in authority that the person took the correct action to stop. Judgement differs from person to person in regard to the amber light and the duration of the amber light can differ in different locations as well.

The shiela I spoke to said that whether an inch or a foot over the line would not constitute going thru an intersection on a red light. The second photo will prove if the person hasn't stopped. I didn't get fined and anyone who has, has been conned. They should have fought it.

If they have come up with a separate infringement for stopping past the line rather than b/4 the line at traffic lights, then I guess you couldn't do much about it other than calling them a bunch of pricks.

If I remember correctly, a copper could fine you for stopping past the line at a stop sign. That is a different situation than at traffic lights, because at a stop sign you must stop regardless, so judgement is not a factor.

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