PowerFC software

[funkymonkey]

well to put it into perspective apache's htaccess password system was made in 1988, and to date the only way to crack it is with brute force.

hehe doughboy was waitin for someone to post up kashima's website. had an interesting convo with calvintys about it last night. chatted to kashima on icq recently and he told me where to get the NEC programmer in japan. unfortunately that place was out of stock. Found a place in england that stocks it so I've ordered it. should be able to start makin the patched PFC's soon.

However I have nix knowledge about tuning, but I do have the capability to reverse engineer the software interface (to make an english interface). I spoke to troy (your old classmate) on how to get on yer good side to get your help on things, he said ask you nicely

have a look around on the website, if you go to the electronics section you'll find a schematic for a wideband o2 sensor.

If you guys don't mind waiting a while I'll put up a translation of the website once I'm done doing it.

[funkymonkey]

and no the datalogit won't work with the pfc software, it dosen't even use the same protocol.

[discopotato03]

Go get em boyz , its about time we had good programable management based on OEM .

Cheers A .

[GTR-Ben]

Things looks promising

[DoughBoy]

Hey Shan, like I've said before I really don't care what other people do, and have no right to inflict my opinions on anyone.

I strongly dislike lies or misleading information, something that your mate Calvin was doing. As I explained repeatedly to him, that's why I had a dig at him. After all, how's a "poor student" meant to get money to modify his BCNR-33 these days?

I'm running Autronic on the new car, so really have no vested interest in the PowerFC. Yeah I paid a fair amount of money for the software, but the friends I know running one will benefit (eventually) from me getting it and handing it out.

It would be great to see a locally made product that could interface with the PowerFC via laptop, even better if it was extremely affordable and widely available. Hopefully this thread has given that development a big prod in the ass.

p.s. I am a linux user/supporter, that might explain my mentality a bit

[tang0]

can you pm me the schematic please ....

or post it if you so wish

this could be way useful !

cheers

Will the Datalogit interface box work with the Power Excel software??

I have schematics for it

[Chris32]

what he said

[funkymonkey]

hold up will get you the schematic for the main box. its a CAD PDF, 1st page is component layout

2nd and 3rd pages are PCB Silk screen schematics.

http://kaele.com/~kashima/car/pfcadp/PFCAdapter10.pdf

I've got a PCB fabrication tank n stuff so if you guys need one made let me know.

Just keep in mind the NEC chip HAS to be flashed to let the PFC work with the adapter, so don't expect to open up a tuning garage using it well you could if you could convince your customers to use a chipped PFC.

Doughy, I dunno if the item will be as affordable as we'd like it to be. Raw materials alone cost me around the $200 mark. But I guess if one of us gets the programming hardware then we could always help out the rest. BTW i only made contact with calvin yesterday, his mates one of the guys that sells the CD on yahoo japan :confused:

[funkymonkey]

oh whoops... misinterpreted... thought you meant the PFC interface box schematics.

Oh well, if you don't wanna go thru the jap website to find it, there it is.

[ylwgtr2]

Hey Shan, like I've said before I really don't care what other people do, and have no right to inflict my opinions on anyone.

I strongly dislike lies or misleading information, something that your mate Calvin was doing. As I explained repeatedly to him, that's why I had a dig at him. After all, how's a "poor student" meant to get money to modify his BCNR-33 these days?

i concur

[R33vit]

Sorry I been a bit late getting back with the schematic but the ones I found where from a RX7 site to use with the FC Datalogit.

Guess what, there identical to what funkymonkey posted

[Sydneykid]

Hi guys, very interesting and I have a few questions (how unusual :wassup: );

1. The PFC Excel software needs a dongle (or equivalent) to talk to the PFC, is that correct?

2. There is a "gate keeper" chip in the PFC that needs to see a dongle before it passes data. So you replace that chip and "open the gate" is that right?

3. All versions of the PFC Excel software are available, but not the dongle. I have seen a number of dongle copiers in Singapore, KL etc. Has anyone tried to copy a PFC dongle?

4. Is there only one dongle type, or does every type of PFC have a different dongle?

5. The Datalogit software accesses the PFC and can change everything the PFC software does, but it gets there via a different route ie; not via the "gate keeper" chip. Is that right?

6. You can't use the PFC Excel Software and get it in via the same route (bypass the gate keeper chip) as the Datalogit uses, is that correct?

7. The cost of materials and labour might add up to almost what a Datalogit costs, maybe?

Nothing good is ever simple, but always worth the effort.

[funkymonkey]

R33vit so in that case the datalogit uses the same dongle as the kashima dongle (lets give the guy some credit for his work).

Kashima also happens to own an RX7, very similar to the story being spun on the datalogit website... :confused:

Anyways, yes the "gate keeper" has to be modded to access all the functions using the kashima dongle (well I think, I haven't had much luck without it). I've got what I believe to be a working model of the kashima dongle. I'm waiting on the NEC reprogrammer which I just ordered from a guy in england to do some gate busting

there's 2 dongle types, a simple one, and an advanced one which allows yout to get inputs from other sensors (like wideband O2 etc).

I don't have access to a datalogit or its software, but I'd be happy to give a copy of the proper software to someone with a datalogit cable so they can test to see if it works. (Or if someone wants to give me the datalogit software to test on my cable.)

I've already posted up how much its cost me to make the cable. I've also got a NEC reprogrammer on the way, so I can "unlock gates" for you guys if you want... although I wouldn't want to be the one modifying PFC's just in case they f**k up and I'm liable

But keep in mind that the costs I've incurred are for one off prototyping, on a mass production line it'll be a lot cheaper for the PCB's and electronics.

[funkymonkey]

btw i've got nuffin to do with calvin, although he seemed keen to bring some large parts down from japan in one of our containers. Might be a small time importer.

troy n doughboy, why don't you guys like him?

[funkymonkey]

Now I'm no genius but I know one when i meet one!  

We will call him "Mr. X" for the time being...  

Mr. X has an FD (gen 3 FD3S RX7) with a Power FC. His hobbies are drag racing and number crunching.  

"Mr. X" decided he needed data logging if he was going to get his "stock" FD to do any better than his best 12.2 1/4 mile time.  

So Mr. X built the "FC-Box" interface, wrote a lot of software software, "FC-Edit" and, with a combination of logging runs and fine tuning his FD and optimizing his driving style he got his best 1/4 down to an 11.6.

I vote that Mr X = Mr Kashima

[funkymonkey]

sooo there must be a way to get the kashima cable to work without changing the NEC chip... hmmm interesting, I'll look into it.

[Bl4cK32]

btw i've got nuffin to do with calvin, although he seemed keen to bring some large parts down from japan in one of our containers. Might be a small time importer.

troy n doughboy, why don't you guys like him?

Is it because he was selling the cable and software on here for $700 - $950.....

[R33vit]

Seems the schimatics I have are the same as the one you have Shan. After going back to the site I found them on, it seems they where pulled from kashima's site...

[Sydneykid]

Anyways, yes the "gate keeper" has to be modded to access all the functions using the kashima dongle

The "gate keeper"chip wasn't modded on any of our PFC's (2 X GTR and 1 X GTST), so we could use the Datalogit. So if the Kashima dongle is the same as the Datalogit dongle then you don't need to modify the "gate keeper"chip. It should just plug in and work like a Datalogit

I've got what I believe to be a working model of the kashima dongleI'm waiting on the NEC reprogrammer which I just ordered from a guy in england to do some gate busting .

I assume you have tried to use the Kashima dongle and the Power Excel software and it doesn't work

there's 2 dongle types, a simple one, and an advanced one which allows yout to get inputs from other sensors (like wideband O2 etc).

The advanced one sounds like the Datalogit dongle.

I don't have access to a datalogit or its software, but I'd be happy to give a copy of the proper software to someone with a datalogit cable so they can test to see if it works. (Or if someone wants to give me the datalogit software to test on my cable.)

PM me

I wouldn't want to be the one modifying PFC's just in case they f**k up and I'm liable

Me either, that's why it would be best if that wasn't required at all. RB20 PFC's are too rare to blow one up with my amatuer soldering skills.

Very interesting thread

[The Mafia]

I bet $100 there is a way to do it without opening up your PowerFc's ECU housing.

Its called software hacking... I am no pro, but I understand how it works, and there would most certainly be a way