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About Vic roads I’m more concerned about the quality of the actual roads we drive on which give me the shits every time I hit a pot hole etc and worrie about breaking something to do with my suspension.

lol I keep reading pothole as 'pole'.

Indeed... there ought to be a course on how to avoid potholes without crashing into cars coming up alongside.

Perhaps if they can't maintain the roads they could make the lanes wider..

in simple terms you can kill yourself in any car is dosent have to be high powered though it increases the risks but any car is a death trap it all depends on the user/driver of the car.

All the stress is on P Platers, but am I the only one who is about | |<-- this close to being run off the road by some old guy every 2nd day? At least P Platers can keep in their own lane for more than 30secs.

I don't really care if P platers drive HP vehicles, I haven't had too many problems with them as yet.. burnouts = lots of $$ for them, accidents = lots of $$ for them. If you can count the amount of fatality crashes (widely publicised) caused by p platers on one hand, I don't see how it can be such a huge problem. Driving interstate, I've *almost* had several heart attacks thanks to 'speeding' truck drivers (in both senses), I'm sure they kill just as many people.

But don't quote me, I'm too lazy to look up the actual stats and can only offer my personal opinion based on experience of 5+ yrs of driving & 15yrs being an attentive passenger.

ye i agree, old people on the right lanes going 20km under the speed limit, i am a patient driver, but even that wears thin after a few mins and is forced to make tight lane changes. Got no problems with old or slow drivers IF they stick to the left lanes. But i see more and more of them driving super slow on the right lane. I dont know if this is just me, but seems like some of them slow down even more when they see a P plater behind them!

lol I keep reading pothole as 'pole'.

Indeed... there ought to be a course on how to avoid potholes without crashing into cars coming up alongside.

Perhaps if they can't maintain the roads they could make the lanes wider..

you don't appreciate how wide melb roads are until you drive in Syd :P

you don't appreciate how wide melb roads are until you drive in Syd :D

Actually I'm originally from Sydney and you're right, I forgot how narrow they are :)

Also there's a hell of alot more trees & grass in the middle of the roads down here which is nicer, BUT a distinct lack of reflectors on the road.. when it's raining you can barely see any lines.. let alone when you first move down and you don't where your lane just went after crossing an intersection.. (eg Hoddle St heading south).. GAH.

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