Jump to content
SAU Community

Recommended Posts

:) CAUTION LONG RANT FOLLOWS... :)

Let me start by saying the STTF (State Traffic Task Force) are ghey... As ghey as they come actually... I got my first defect... Well Trina did actually... Story goes like this:

Friday night, Trina is driving along the M1 at the speed limit minding her own business... A marked car on the side of the road doing LIDAR sees her go past, get in their car, speed along the highway to catch her, and pull her over... They approach the car and inform her that she has been pulled over for a "Random" Breath Test... Which she passes fine... They then ask her where she is going and where she has been... And then let her on her way... At no point do they ask to see her license, or ask if she is the owner of the vehicle (which she isn't)... Doesn't seem very random to me... :( Actually sounds like discrimination against Skyline owners...

Sunday arvo, Trina is driving along the M1 at the speed limit minding her own business... She notices a late model Falcon station wagon pull in behind her... Falcon decides to tailgate her for a few k's.. She pays no attention to them assuming that they are tailgating because they want to overtake but cant because the RHL is full... After a few minutes of tailgating, said Falcon turns on the blues and directs Trina to pull over...

They defected her for the following... In their words:

- Ensure windscreen complies with ADRs ie replace windscreen.

- Ensure rear wing complies ie shorten width so fits within boot line and has rounded edges on all surfaces.

They didn't defect her for the following:

EDIT: Many other possible defects...

So they lose and I win :D

They missed booking people for the following unsafe acts on the roads today:

- A 4WD with a large trailer performing a 3 point U-Turn over double lines on a blind corner...

- A 75yr old pop driving at 60kph on the freeway in the middle lane with his right indicator on - for many, many kilometres...

- A VN Commodore swerving across 3 lanes of 110kph traffic and then over a traffic island to get to his exit...

- Numerous drivers using mobile phones...

But I did see a brand new Mercedes Benz with many airbags and a bucketload of active and passive safety features get flashed by a speed camera for doing 125 odd in a 110 zone... So they are "trying" to keep us safe :)

Anyway, it's a self clearance defect so basically all I have to do is sign the form and send it away saying the defects have been cleared... Nobody has to look at it... Weird huh?

I was already going to replace the windscreen due to the smallish crack that happened a few weeks ago... But it's on the passenger side, and not visible from the drivers seat (due to the rear view mirror) and all I can find on windscreens and ADR's says:

No material or other object is to be located on the windscreen or windows which will interfere with the driver’s vision.
If I can't see it when I'm driving how is it interfering with my vision :confused:

But the wing is a different story...

Side skirts, flares, front and rear spoilers may be fitted, provided road clearance and air flow for brake cooling is not adversely affected. All exposed edges must have a radius of at least 5 mm.

Radiused edges, fine... Stupid rule but whatever... But nowhere there does it say wings must fit within boot lines... WTF are boot lines anyway? The wing is well within the boundarys of the car (IE it doesn't hang out over the edge of the body) so I have NFI what they are on about... Sounds like a "quick make something up" rule to me... But that couldn't be right could it?

The other thing I don't understand is that they told Trina that after I sign the form and send it away, if I get caught with the same defects again, it's a $275 fine... Which is dumb... Cause if I get a new windscreen, and then it gets cracked by some rock thrown up by an unregistered, rusted out, no brakes, sigma, driving through a massive pothole on an unmaintained, poorly signed, backroad... And then the cops see me immediately afterwards, I'm screwed... Same goes for the wing... I take it off, sign the form, send it away, and put on a "different" wing, how can they tell?

So there you have it... My first defect, my first defect thread... Can a mod please move this to the VIC section? :rofl:

PS: STTF are teh ghey...

Link to comment
https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/61591-discrimination/
Share on other sites

  • Replies 74
  • Created
  • Last Reply

Top Posters In This Topic

I guess I got off lightly all things considered, and it won't be a hassle to clear it...

It just gives me the irrits when all they bloody do is target import driver's when there are much more serious traffic offences out there, as well as plenty of DANGEROUSLY unroadworthy cars on the roads...

Link to comment
https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/61591-discrimination/#findComment-1162929
Share on other sites

I hate STTF, and too the clown who got me! Get me agian, and you wont be working for Qld police agian. (don't ask)

I found they also love to free rev your motor, and when the BOV still doesnt go off at 4000rpm, they'll find somthing else to bitch about.

discrimination against Skyline owners...

I tried that one in court... It doesn't work, as much as it's true.

Link to comment
https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/61591-discrimination/#findComment-1162934
Share on other sites

bahahaha i love it :(

"The other thing I don't understand is that they told Trina that after I sign the form and send it away, if I get caught with the same defects again, it's a $275 fine... Which is dumb... Cause if I get a new windscreen, and then it gets cracked by some rock thrown up by an unregistered, rusted out, no brakes, sigma, driving through a massive pothole on an unmaintained, poorly signed, backroad... And then the cops see me immediately afterwards, I'm screwed... Same goes for the wing... I take it off, sign the form, send it away, and put on a "different" wing, how can they tell?"

classic

bloody cops, what the hell is going on, is george bush running our police now too?!

Link to comment
https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/61591-discrimination/#findComment-1162936
Share on other sites

Also.. I duno if you have to take your car to the nearest station to be "cleared", if you do just put the car in Tina's name.. And the defect clears. As soon as the car is in another name it no longer counts, and you no longer legally have to show them the car to clear.

Link to comment
https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/61591-discrimination/#findComment-1162943
Share on other sites

Also.. I duno if you have to take your car to the nearest station to be "cleared", if you do just put the car in Tina's name.. And the defect clears. As soon as the car is in another name it no longer counts, and you no longer legally have to show them the car to clear.

haha

ahh the justice of loopholes :kick:

Link to comment
https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/61591-discrimination/#findComment-1162948
Share on other sites

Also.. I duno if you have to take your car to the nearest station to be "cleared", if you do just put the car in Tina's name.. And the defect clears. As soon as the car is in another name it no longer counts, and you no longer legally have to show them the car to clear.

Nah all I have to do is send the form away with my signature on it, and it's cleared...

But thanks for the hot tip! I'm sure it'll come in handy :(

Link to comment
https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/61591-discrimination/#findComment-1162955
Share on other sites

In some case’s you might be better off just getting the car cleared, eg; minor defect. In my case I was selling the car anyway, and getting my defects fixed out weighed the cost of the fine - $75 and 1 point (which you cant get out of if you change names).

Lucky you only got away with just signing the paper work!

Link to comment
https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/61591-discrimination/#findComment-1162962
Share on other sites

can you take these ones to court?

I've always thought having a tape recorder would get you off any defect if it went to court.

"ok officer, so you are defecting me for xxx"

"yes, that is correct"

"under what Australian design rule are you defecting me for, and/or which roadworthy requirement are you defecting me for under the laws of Queensland?"

"um, er.. << b.s. answer >> "

* I'd imagine that would probably get you off in any court case right away. Unless they can state a valid statue, down to the finest letter then its not a valid defect I'd imagine.

"how have you come to the determination that this vehicle is in breach of this requirement?"

Now that is most likely where they'll fall in a heap, with no accurate measure how can they even legally defect you. The more questions you asked here the better you'd be off later on.

As an example, maybe for height if they say "well I have this fancy measuring doovy".. but then you start drilling them on the angle of the road, sprung weight and all sorts of other crap :(

Court case comes, sounds like cop doesn't even know the laws he is enforcing.. you're off the hook.

Link to comment
https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/61591-discrimination/#findComment-1162975
Share on other sites

Also.. I duno if you have to take your car to the nearest station to be "cleared", if you do just put the car in Tina's name.. And the defect clears. As soon as the car is in another name it no longer counts, and you no longer legally have to show them the car to clear.

wont it cost money to transfer the rego :confused: or can you bannana benders get away with that too - J/K :)

Yeh its good to see the my taxed income being put to bad use!! :(

Link to comment
https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/61591-discrimination/#findComment-1162976
Share on other sites

can you take these ones to court?  

I've always thought having a tape recorder would get you off any defect if it went to court.  

"ok officer, so you are defecting me for xxx"

"yes, that is correct"

"under what Australian design rule are you defecting me for, and/or which roadworthy requirement are you defecting me for under the laws of Queensland?"

"um, er..  << b.s. answer >> "

* I'd imagine that would probably get you off in any court case right away. Unless they can state a valid statue, down to the finest letter then its not a valid defect I'd imagine.  

"how have you come to the determination that this vehicle is in breach of this requirement?"

Now that is most likely where they'll fall in a heap, with no accurate measure how can they even legally defect you.  

Maybe for height if they say "well I have this fancy measuring doovy".. but then you start drilling them on the angle of the road, sprung weight and all sorts of other crap :(  

Court case comes, sounds like cop doesn't even know the laws he is enforcing.. you're off the hook.

Nah - theyd just pull you out of your ride and bash you for bein a smart ass - specially in Vic!! :wassup:

Link to comment
https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/61591-discrimination/#findComment-1162980
Share on other sites

wont it cost money to transfer the rego :confused: or can you bannana benders get away with that too - J/K :)  

Yeh its good to see the my taxed income being put to bad use!!  :(

In my case.. it worked out well. as I was selling the car. Yes it would cost money in transfer fee's, but as I said above, in some case's it works out cheaper then clearing major defects. You wouldn't do this if it was somthing minor.

Link to comment
https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/61591-discrimination/#findComment-1162985
Share on other sites

can you take these ones to court?  

I've always thought having a tape recorder would get you off any defect if it went to court.  

"ok officer, so you are defecting me for xxx"

"yes, that is correct"

"under what Australian design rule are you defecting me for, and/or which roadworthy requirement are you defecting me for under the laws of Queensland?"

"um, er..  << b.s. answer >> "

* I'd imagine that would probably get you off in any court case right away. Unless they can state a valid statue, down to the finest letter then its not a valid defect I'd imagine.  

"how have you come to the determination that this vehicle is in breach of this requirement?"

Now that is most likely where they'll fall in a heap, with no accurate measure how can they even legally defect you. The more questions you asked here the better you'd be off later on.  

As an example, maybe for height if they say "well I have this fancy measuring doovy".. but then you start drilling them on the angle of the road, sprung weight and all sorts of other crap :)  

Court case comes, sounds like cop doesn't even know the laws he is enforcing.. you're off the hook.

exactly, even better get a hold of the book mechanics get when they go through training which states the only "legal" way to test exhasuts, height etc. It's well, pretty much impossible to test anything legally. They are supposed to test the device against something impartial every second test, be in a clear 1km area or something, take into account wind, road angle etc etc...list goes on. In short contest everything, sometimes you just never here back :(, however sometimes it goes to court and costs you money, because the judge thinks your a hoon in a car that goes pssht.

Link to comment
https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/61591-discrimination/#findComment-1162992
Share on other sites

As for discrimination thats a big YES. Coz im yet to see a force dedicated to getting rid of the old sh*ttas on the road. Or maybe one dedicated to instead of monitoring young drivers, monitor old ones. Even better again a force dedicated to monitoring all the police that do the wrong thing whilst driving???? The amount of times ive seen them break the road laws for no apparent reason, eg stopping on a street for no reason, reversing up a street to talk to a young person who was minding his own business :( (looks to josh), talk on their mobiles.....I thought it was learn by example, clearly im wrong.

Link to comment
https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/61591-discrimination/#findComment-1163001
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now



  • Latest Posts

    • Even more fun, leave all the ADAS stuff plugged in, but in different locations, hopefully avoid any codes!   And honestly, all these new cars with their weird electronics. Pull all the electronics out Duncan, and just shove an aftermarket ECU and if needed a trans controller in, along with a PDM. Make it run basic but race car styled!
    • To follow up a question from earlier too since I had the front bar off again (fking!) This is what is between the bumper and the drivers side wheel And this is the navigator side, only one thing but its a biggy! So basically....no putting coolers in the wheel arches without a lot of moving other stuff. Assuming I move to properly race prepping this car I'll take that job on and see how the computers respond to removing a whole bunch of ADAS modules
    • So I prepped the car for another track day on Wednesday (will be interesting to see coolant temps post flushing out and the larger reservoir, with a forecast of 3-14 being 20o cooler than last time I took it out). Couple of things to mention; since I am just driving the car and not taking a support vehicle, I took the rear seats out and just loaded the back up Team Trackday style. Look at all that space! To cover off removing the rear seat....it is weird (note the hybrid is probably different because it wouldn't have folding rear seats) Basically, you remove the lower seat base, very similar to a r series but it is a clip that pulls forward to release the base rather than it being bolted down. Easy Then, you need to remove the side section of the rear seat on each side. There is a 14mm head nut at the bottom of the side piece, the it slides upwards off a hook at the top to release; you also need to unhook the seatbelt from the loop at the top. Then the centre piece is weird. You need to release/fold the seats forward with the tab in the boot on each side From there, there are 2,x12mm headed bolts holding the rear of each seat to the folding bracket, under the trim between the rear seat and the boot (4x christmas tree clips there, they suck). The seat is out but you can see where the bolts attach to the bracket
    • As discussed in the previous post, the bushes in the 110 needed replacing. I took this opportunity to replace the castor bushes, the front lower control arm, lower the car and get the alignment dialled in with new tyres. I took it down to Alignment Motorsports on the GC to get this work done and also get more out of the Shockworks as I felt like I wasn't getting the full use out of them.  To cut a very long story short, it ended up being the case the passenger side castor arm wouldn't accept the brand new bush as the sleeve had worn badly enough to the point you could push the new bush in by hand and completely through. Trying a pair of TRD bushes didn't fix the issue either (I had originally gone with Hardrace bushes). We needed to urgently source another castor arm, and thankfully this was sourced and the guys at the shop worked on my car until 7pm on a Saturday to get everything done. The car rides a lot nicer now with the suspension dialled in properly. Lowered the car a little as well to suit the lower profile front tyres, and just bring the car down generally. Eternally thankful for the guys down at the shop to get the car sorted, we both pulled big favours from our contacts to get it done on the Saturday.  Also plugged in the new Stedi foglights into the S15, and even from a quick test in the garage I'm keen to see how they look out on the road. I had some concerns about the length of the LED body and whether it'd fit in the foglight housing but it's fine.  I've got a small window coming up next month where I'll likely get a little paint work done on the 110 to remove the rear wing, add a boot wing and roof wing, get the side skirt fixed up and colour match the little panel on the tail lights so that I can install some badges that I've kept in storage. I'm also tempted to put in a new pair of headlights on the 110.  Until then, here's some more pictures from Easter this year. 
    • I would put a fuel pressure gauge between the filter and the fuel rail, see if it's maintaining good fuel pressure at idle going up to the point when it stalls. Do you see any strange behavior in commanded fuel leading up to the point when it stalls? You might have to start going through the service manual and doing a long list of sensor tests if it's not the fuel system for whatever reason.
×
×
  • Create New...