Back to the drawing board!

[GTS-t VSPEC]

Aw11,

Yeah in Japan they have 104RON at there servo's, but to them the cost is not substantial in relation to wage percentage. They also have alot more turbocharged cars compared to Australia, the Holdens and Fords simply don't need it, sure it will give you a bit more power but there wasn't the market for it.

But it is good to see then almost every servo has PULP(96RON) and BP have the Ultimate(98RON), and the number of people using it has increased substantially, so there may be hope that a higher octane fuel will be available here one day.

See'ya:burnout:

[adam 32]

I think we are more aimed at Using this stuff down the drags

then you could still use the same argument. if you get a 12.5 on toluene this doesnt reflect everyday power. as on the street you cant reproduec the same power levels...

[rev210]

Originally posted by GTS-t VSPEC

Adam32,

I agree totally, I was only suggesting that toluene was a cheap octance booster, and would only really be using it for the drags, the extra cost of adding octance booster during daily driving would be pretty substantial.

Macka,

I think you can get enough toluene to boost 100litres of PULP to 101.3RON for about $48, I have the suggested mix in a magazine I read last night, once I get home I'll post the info.

See'ya:burnout:

Makit hardware sell the stuff, $23 for a 4L tin. If you get it off BP(not the servos) you can buy 20/40/100L quantities and its very cheap. Just remember to talk about using it as a 'solvent' (not a fuel additive) as they are prohibited from selling it as a fuel additive.

Adam: the adding of toluene isn't an 'experimental' idea its as old as the hills, like I said before formula 1 cars ran on 'pure' toluene with a dash of n-heptane.

I'd be inclined to add some for those special occasions given our fuels are absolute crap compared to jap stuff. Why wouldn't you do it if it meant protecting your motor from increased wear and possible failure due to pre-ignition?

[GTS-t VSPEC]

Adam32,

1/4 mile times aren't a good reflection of how your car will perform on the street. A drag strip is treated to give better traction, most people use octane booster etc. Going to the drags is about posting the best time you can with the mechanical setup you have, if you can improve the time you get with toluene etc, then why not do it.

On the street you can get beaten by cars that you might thrash on the 1/4, but that's because your not in a controlled situation. I'm planning on experimenting with different fuels when I go to the drags, i.e. straight BP Ultimate, octance booster and maybe VP.

Besides saying you've run a 12.5, even if you had to use toluene, is still something you can brag about.

See'ya :burnout:

[macka]

Originally posted by adam 32

then you could still use the same argument. if you get a 12.5 on toluene this doesnt reflect everyday power. as on the street you cant reproduec the same power levels... [/quote

Adam that has nothing to do with it tho..

I cant run 15psi during the day with that Top secret ROM i have because of the Advance it runs..

So im limited to about 12psi plus the fact that i usually run CALTEX because i have a work fuel card also brings my power down..

So basically on a normal day i probably have 250HP at wheels..

[adam 32]

what im saying is i think we should be aiming for a car making power off pump fuel, and being an everyday driver. it is easy to make big power from fuel c0cktails and unstreetable engine components.

[rev210]

Originally posted by adam 32

then you could still use the same argument. if you get a 12.5 on toluene this doesnt reflect everyday power. as on the street you cant reproduec the same power levels...

Maaaaate...

You could use the same argument when I used to drive 30kms out of my way to buy avgas, or when I premixed two stroke oil in my petrol cause I removed the oil metering pump on my RX4 rotory. Either way if you met me on the street you would see the everyday power of the daily driver as it kicked your arse.

I have loads of crap in my boot everyday, and I only left it in for the drags cause I went straight from work. If I took the 100 odd kgs out of my boot that would make me guilty of not reflecting 'everyday power' too.

At the end of the day each person decides what constitutes a 'hassle' when it comes to fuel additives. So give it a try and decide for yourself if toluene is worth the hassle.

BTW I think changing and checking the plugs is a far greater hassle than premixing toluene yet people are always doing this themselves.

[GTS-t VSPEC]

I think that street radial tyres are a good limitation and no race fuels, but other than that whatever goes. Macka's car is street drivable, but you don't expect him to run the same on the street as he would at the drags, cause his car wouldn't last too long with that much advancement. All were trying to do is maximise the output for a few drags, the car is capable of it so why not.

At dyno shootouts and sound off comps they all do special things to maximise there results. I don't think most people put dry ice on there FMIC whilst driving, or drive with 140+dB stereos.

Anyway, everyone else is going to do it, so why not join them.

See'ya

:burnout:

[macka]

Originally posted by adam 32

what im saying is i think we should be aiming for a car making power off pump fuel, and being an everyday driver. it is easy to make big power from fuel c0cktails and unstreetable engine components.

Mine was dynoed in the heat of the day with 98ron in it..

But for the drags i want the fastest time no matter what i have to do

True ???

[adam 32]

true

but if you cant reproduce the times on an everyday basis then what does it count for. woopdedoo you got a 9 second flat 1/4 mile time or a 700hp dyno readout, but if you cant have that as everyday power then wheres the fun in driving your car? (given that its a daily driver)

[rev210]

Originally posted by adam 32

what im saying is i think we should be aiming for a car making power off pump fuel, and being an everyday driver. it is easy to make big power from fuel c0cktails and unstreetable engine components.

There is no point comparing fuel additives with un-streetable engine components. At least when we are talking toluene. Nitro maybe.

Running a better fuel in your engine helps protect it from harm under stressfull circumstances most of all. Like when you are racing your car or just plain driving hard.

[adam 32]

i know weve gotten a little off topic, but that is the point i am trying to make.

[rev210]

Originally posted by adam 32

true

but if you cant reproduce the times on an everyday basis then what does it count for. woopdedoo you got a 9 second flat 1/4 mile time or a 700hp dyno readout, but if you cant have that as everyday power then wheres the fun in driving your car? (given that its a daily driver)

Well it counts for a whole lot of fun and certainly more g-forces doing the actual run. Rest assured your 'street time' or everyday power will be plenty of fun even if a little lower than the setting you have for the strip. In most cases you will run a faster 1/4 time on the 'road' than the strip purely for traction reasons.

Lets say you have a 9sec flat 700hp in road trim car. Does 'that' count for something? Sure it does! thats on the street.

But what if this same car has its power cranked to 800hp and runs an 8.5sec 1/4. Does that mean this car is no fun to drive on the street?

Clearly the difference between your street and strip configs is not worth looking at, its kinda silly. What matters is what level of comfort you are prepared to sacrifce on a car that you drive everyday. This is an individual choice. If someone doesn't like pouring in the toluene before putting in the pump gas perhaps another might object to putting petrol in thier own car entirely and choose to ride a bike to work.

[Dr_Drift]

Originally posted by macka  i usually run CALTEX because i have a work fuel card also brings my power down.... [/b]

Macka,

NO WONDER IT PINGS!!!! CALTEX IT SHITE FUEL!!!

Doc.

[macka]

10psi on Caltex thats all i will run Champ

And it runs beautiful

15psi on bp98 however, makes the car ping running the standard 15degrees timing even in the cool!

Adam, My car was tuned at 2pm 30degrees with 296, so in theory, i have more, as a daily driver!

The octane additive was put in as an additive just in case it was pinging and i beleive it helped

Dont for get you used octane as well on wed night mr and that would of only been for a better time so you bit yourself on the arse my friend :lol:

[adam 32]

my car doesnt ping on 98 octane at 14psi (what its tuned to) whether its 12midnight or 12midday. i only used octane booster because drag racing or any race conditions puts added stress on the engine/car

i dont believe it helped at all. because my car doesnt ping anyway, and i didnt run any higher boost or advanced timing...

[skyzerr33]

Originally posted by adam 32

my car doesnt ping on 98 octane at 14psi (what its tuned to) whether its 12midnight or 12midday. i only used octane booster because drag racing or any race conditions puts added stress on the engine/car

i dont believe it helped at all. because my car doesnt ping anyway, and i didnt run any higher boost or advanced timing...

adam octane booster increases the RON value as u know so will improve your performance a little even if teh car is tuned to 98 RON fuel

[adam 32]

well i couldnt notice any difference at all

[Hicks]

What brand did you use??

[adam 32]

something macka gave me in a coke bottle