Where to Tune a GTR in NSW

[7heavn]

Yeah it did fail all but 2 years later after having its arse raced off it, after we stripped the engine down it was dead stock so imo it done pretty well running consistant 11's in full street trim and pushing 300+rwkw for that long

What times/power do you run?

wow on std internals that is doing well soppose you can't ask much more . Since the Bel tune the car has only been on a dyno once and a full power run wasn't done 2wd dyno dynamics in shootout mode I have a print out here for 275rwkw by 4500rpms 1.2bar boost think of that what you will but I haven't taken that figure seriously.

Out at WSID last year on a 30deg evening with a slipping clutch (excuses excuses I know lol ) went 11.9@115mph with a 1.9 60ft . Going back out again soon with a set of aftermarket dumps a twin plate and maybe 1.3bar hopefully can trap 120mph if so I'll be happy cause in my opinion thats fast enough for a car that is driven to and from the track in full street trim , famous last words I know .

[BU5TER]

hahaha good point, this thread is really going nowhere now all I can speak of is my experience and my experience was that BEL lost power for me and the whole experience left me feeling sick as I lost all but $1000 with the cost of the tunes and the loss on selling the power fc

If the same happened to you would you still be singing them praise?

[Mik]

what about the way the car is driven on the road tune, what governs the thrash factor? I would be really nervous about someone going full tilt in my GTR without knowing them personally? does anyone here drive the car for the road tune with BEL? or do you just leave the car in the lap of the gods and pray it comes back with tyres clutch and engine

I am leaning towards BEL right now, but want to be sure!

You could drive if you wanted to...but personally, I wouldn't want to. Most of the tuning they do is around the spool up point, they only really need to do a couple of runs throught the full rev range.

If your clutch was fine before the tune, it will be fine after the tune, they don't need to go through the gears hard. Although, if your clutch is marginal to start with, don't be surprised if it starts slipping becasue the car makes more power (my old STI did this during the tune)

If you're that worried, speak to Ben about going down to Wakefield for a trackday with them and get him to tune it around wakefield.

[Roy]

Being a person who for the second time/second car has gone through the whole tuning thing recently.To me a good tune gives good economy, good throttle response, good reliability and good power. Power last, as it seems the tune can quickly kill an engine, and ill hapily sacrifice some power for reliability.

I had my car tuned, was pretty happy with how it drove, the power it made and the fuel economy was ok. Dropped boost back from 18psi to 8psi and the car was a dog. Originally at a lowly 8psi it still had some mustard, so engine was only making power because of boost, nothing to do with ignition and fuelling etc etc

So off for a retune after a few mods. The result is better fuel economy, better throttle response, though that could be attributed to one of the mods undertaken, and it made more power everywhere. That was with a smalller A/R housing, so would expect it to make more mid-low end power. But it also made more pwer after 5,000rpm all the way to redline, again making somewhere between 20-30rwkws at red line:)

And the real test, 36 degree C day at Sandown with plenty of full throttle straights, and not a hint of detonation, car ran real strong, even with water temps up around the 103 deg C.

Dont know CRD, so take my next comments with a grain of salt...i will only ever get my cars tuned from this day onwards by ppl that actually do club circuit cars. They have had to learn how to tune to live with sustained high loads and temps, throttle response for good driveability, and we all want power. My experience with my old R31 was expert tuners that get their name from drag racing didnt do that great a job with my car. I took Quicfit in Hornsby to get my car to sing.

Same deal recently, workshop has tuned some big hp dyno and drag cars and thought i was pretty happy with it. Got the car re-tuned by a place that does club circuit cars and all is good, 6 forms of motorsport in 8 weekends and engine/tune didnt miss a beat, and lol, even water temps on the freeway are 3-4 deg C cooler:)

[7heavn]

hahaha good point, this thread is really going nowhere now all I can speak of is my experience and my experience was that BEL lost power for me and the whole experience left me feeling sick as I lost all but $1000 with the cost of the tunes and the loss on selling the power fc

If the same happened to you would you still be sining them praise?

Yes you are correct I certainly wouldn't but from personal experience they turned my car into a new one and thats all I can go off I soppose . With the wonders of the internet and performance car forums like these opinons are like ass holes everyone has got one and I've heard good and bad experiences about every shop mentioned in this thread .

At the end of the day I soppose I'm just another ass hole with an opinion and a good story to tell

[Mik]

Are most people leaning towards BEL coz of the price factor now???

As BU5TER said, you need to get a car tuned by a number of tuners before you can compare. I guess I was intially asking if anyone out there had the same car tuned at different shops for a better comparison.  

It sounds as though both CRD and BEL get a good wrap but money is a big factor here.

Also, I don't like the road tune...it's too unsafe...Especially at the speeds reached by these cars.

Butthead on these forums had his car tuned by CRD and wasn't happy, so he went to Bel. He is pretty impressed, drop him a PM if you like (although I belive he is very busy these days).

Not a GTR I know, but the owner of the 2.5L sti I refered to above is keen to have Bel retune his car. The owner is a freind of a friend, so if I hear anything, I'll let you know.

[voona]

Ill be going through this very soon.

32 GTR, 2530s, Poncams, Tomei cam Gears, Dumps and all the fruit. Me like most of the people here want a steet tune with response, good reliability etc.. As Roy said I would much rather have a good reliable, responsive car than a Dyno queen.

I have a number of options, BEL, CRD and a few others.. Its going to be a hard choice

[Roy]

Just to confuse matters:)

Has anyone else tried these guys, touch wood i havent heard a bad thing about them yet, my experiences were good. Dont know i fthey do Pfc, but with every jap car owner running one you would think they do http://www.quickfitmotorsport.com.au/

[DoughBoy]

but in the end, there's no such thing as a perfect tune, it's not rocket sience, all you can do is change AFR, timing and boost until you get the result you desire.

If that's your view on the topic, then that's what you are going to get - and your arguements are valid.

[NXTIME]

Being a person who for the second time/second car has gone through the whole tuning thing recently.To me a good tune gives good economy, good throttle response, good reliability and good power. Power last, as it seems the tune can quickly kill an engine, and ill hapily sacrifice some power for reliability.

I had my car tuned, was pretty happy with how it drove, the power it made and the fuel economy was ok. Dropped boost back from 18psi to 8psi and the car was a dog. Originally at a lowly 8psi it still had some mustard, so engine was only making power because of boost, nothing to do with ignition and fuelling etc etc

So off for a retune after a few mods. The result is better fuel economy, better throttle response, though that could be attributed to one of the mods undertaken, and  it made more power everywhere.  That was with a smalller A/R housing, so would expect it to make more mid-low end power. But it also made more pwer after 5,000rpm all the way to redline, again making somewhere between 20-30rwkws at red line:)

And the real test, 36 degree C day at Sandown with plenty of full throttle straights, and not a hint of detonation, car ran real strong, even with water temps up around the 103 deg C.  

Dont know CRD, so take my next comments with a grain of salt...i will only ever get my cars tuned from this day onwards by ppl that actually do club circuit cars. They have had to learn how to tune to live with sustained high loads and temps, throttle response for good driveability, and we all want power. My experience with my old R31 was expert tuners that get their name from drag racing didnt do that great a job with my car. I took Quicfit in Hornsby to get my car to sing.

Same deal recently, workshop has tuned some big hp dyno and drag cars and thought i was pretty happy with it. Got the car re-tuned by a place that does club circuit cars and all is good, 6 forms of motorsport in 8 weekends and engine/tune didnt miss a beat, and lol, even water temps on the freeway are 3-4 deg C cooler:)

Good post, Roy. Many valid points there. What ECU do you have and what is your opinion/experience with Quickfit as they are one of the workshops that I am also considering using to tune an Autronic ECU?

[yogi000]

Street tuning your car wont be as safe, hard on the power and then hard on the brakes to pull up at the next intersection.

I would also imagine you wouldnt have as good top end as you would if you did it on a dyno or had ben in your car around the race track to tune those hi load/hi speed map points.

I'm sure they give it a good run thru the industrial area of homebush/lidcome/silverwater but really they aint gonna be doing too many 4th gear runs all the way to 7000rpm on the road where some people find they have the most detonation happening.

Bel is good value for money in some sense.

I'm sure all the workshops mentioned have had good results with different cars in different ways, and we all have our own opinions about them.

thats my two dollaa pippty opinion.

[wrxhoon]

Street tuning your car wont be as safe, hard on the power and then hard on the brakes to pull up at the next intersection.  

I would also imagine you wouldnt have as good top end as you would if you did it on a dyno or had ben in your car around the race track to tune those hi load/hi speed map points.  

I'm sure they give it a good run thru the industrial area of homebush/lidcome/silverwater but really they aint gonna be doing too many 4th gear runs all the way to 7000rpm on the road where some people find they have the most detonation happening.  

Bel is good value for money in some sense.

I'm sure all the workshops mentioned have had good results with different cars in different ways, and we all have our own opinions about them.

thats my two dollaa pippty opinion.

For your information bel don't run around homebush , silverwater and lidcombe .

They go on the M4 and drive all the way to the lower blue mountains and back and yes they run it in 4th gear all the way to the redline ( 230kmh +)

[Morgs]

All said and done I think we shouldn't be discussing this on a public forum guys (street tuning locations)

[NXTIME]

For your information bel don't run around homebush , silverwater and lidcombe .

They go on the M4 and drive all the way to the lower blue mountains and back and yes they run it in 4th gear all the way to the redline ( 230kmh +)

So who takes responsibility if the police pull over BEL when doing this (if they can catch the car )? Speed trials will see the car impounded if caught. I could never sanction this as it is outright dangerous. Low end street tuning and cruise setting would be fine, but high speed runs such as this are insane.

[yogi000]

wrxhoon.....for their base tune....which is ~$300-$400 they take out on the m4 to the blue mountains and do 230 plus km/h. If so, your getting a pretty good deal then, but its still not safe and i think its abit stupid.

Also when i had dropped off a s13 sr20det to be pfc/boost controller tuned and injectors installed.....(just over $600 was paid for that, which is good) the odometer did not represent a street tune which included a drive to the moutains on the m4. if my memory serves me right it only clocked ~15-25kms.

[wrxhoon]

wrxhoon.....for their base tune....which is  ~$300-$400 they take out on the m4 to the blue mountains and do 230 plus km/h. If so, your getting a pretty good deal then, but its still not safe and i think its abit stupid.

Also when i had dropped off a s13 sr20det to be pfc/boost controller tuned and injectors installed.....(just over $600 was paid for that, which is good) the odometer did not represent a street tune which included a drive to the moutains on the m4. if my memory serves me right it only clocked ~15-25kms.

I don't know about your car but i can assure you they go all the way to lower mountains and will use at least half a tank of fuel .

[yogi000]

wrxhoon....for that price mentioned above????.......

Well we all have different experiences

[Guest two.06l]

IMHO..........I dont really care what tuner you choose as long as no dolphins are harmed in the process. :elaugh:

Also, CRD are expensive?? I hear this all the time! Compared to who? Jim is one of the top tuners in the country, I'm prepared to pay him for his time. We have always had great results. Cant get a prefect tune? I'd say Jims done it with Twoogle.

[Demon]

CRD might seem expensive by comparison to the prices mentioned here by the other tuners but its a case of you get what you pay for.

I agree with two.06l and I think Jim is a top tuner...I mean the cars he has tuned for me have run very smoothly with good engine response.

[Mik]

Cant get a prefect tune? I'd say Jims done it with Twoogle.

I didn't say you can't get a perfect tune, I said there's no such thing as a perfect tune. Perfect for what purpose? Perfect in what way? There is always a compromise. You can always push it a little harder and make a bit more power and the expense of reliability.

Also depends what you want the car for. Street driving, drag racing, circuit racing etc.