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hi there...

i am currently lookin at purchasing a r32 GTR... but that is beside the point...

i am in a heated arguement with a friend over bang for buck between a r32 GTst and a r32 GTR...

his arguement is that u could spend the same amount of money on the rb20 and make the same power of that of an rb26..

my freinds arguement explained in this equasion...

cost of gsts + mods = stock GTR

now my arguement is why not buy a GTR and save maybe a few $$$ and have a better performance base... sure you will spend a bit more on mods but the overall outcome will be much greater...

cost of GTR + mods = THORPY SAYS ITS FULLY SIK!

now, to go slightly off track...

After stumbling across an old Zoom magazine, i read that 400wkw can be achieved in an rb26 by upgrading the turbo's, exhaust, ecu and injectors (and the other little things that go with it) and not really have to look at strengthening the engine internals....

would i be right in assuming a fair bit of modification would be needed to get a rb20 putting out the same power as a stock gtr?

i would just like to know cause i use to be a simple rotary owner who has "seen the light"... and i am sick of spending dead money on engine rebuilds.... :(

cheers

Cal.

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You are on the right track. A fair bit of money needs to be spent on top of the GTST to make similar power of a stock GTR and at the same time you losing on reliability.

Top power of RB20 is about 250rwkw and this is with all the support systems upgraded and an excellent tune.

If you have the money go GTR.

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Why upgrade the RB20? I bought an R32GTST, upgraded the suspension, wheels and tyres and stuck an RB31DET into it and it still cost less than half what a similar age and condition R32GTR would cost. Plus it weighs 200 kgs less and looses 20 rwkw less through the drive train. So a 400 kw R32GTST is much faster than a 400 kw R32GTR. And a 400 kw 3.1 litre engine is a damn site easier to drive/keep on the power/get off the line than a 400kw 2.6 litre engine. Plus with 200 kgs less and the same brakes it stops better for longer and doesn't overheat the tyres anywhere near as fast.

:(

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cheers guys...

sydney kid: that all sounds good... but i really cant be F$%#ed with having to screw around with hybrid engines (i'm guessin an rb31det is a hybrid)... as i am looking to build the factory engine... but it still sound tough :)

nedb: thanks for your input... much appreciated...

also, is geting about 400wkw in a GTR really as simple as they (zoom magazine) suggest? ie. upgrade exhaust, turbo's, injectors, ecu, intake......

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Plus just think, would you prefer to be driving around in a GTS-T or a GTR? i can tell you know GTR has the respect. lets say two cars are driving through town next to each other ones a nuts GTS-T that can pump all the GTR's out there and ones a stock GTR everyone will be going look at that GTR, not look at that GTS-T.

Hell since ive bought my GTR i dont speed i give it a good thump every now and then but i sit a little below the speed limit and just cruise no one wants to race exept oter GTR's even cars i know would kill me they just stick there thumbs up and wave. so yeah go the GTR :bananaman

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Id say just go the GTR...only thing is dont go trying to save a few dollars when purchasing it, get the best example you can find, as little things like tie rod ends, steering boots, bushes, brake rotors, fuel pumps etc etc will most likely need to be replaced as part of maintenance...not a GTR thing, just an age thing.

With a previous owner who has done these things then you are going a logn way of ensuring all other mechanical aspects are ok:)

Plus just think, would you prefer to be driving around in a GTS-T or a GTR? i can tell you know GTR has the respect. lets say two cars are driving through town next to each other ones a nuts GTS-T that can pump all the GTR's out there and ones a stock GTR everyone will be going look at that GTR, not look at that GTS-T.

Hell since ive bought my GTR i dont speed i give it a good thump every now and then but i sit a little below the speed limit and just cruise no one wants to race exept oter GTR's even cars i know would kill me they just stick there thumbs up and wave. so yeah go the GTR  :bananaman

lol...i love GTR owners, so many are like comic book heros:) And the same reason you like driving the GTR, id rather be driving my GTST, so swings and round abouts:cheers:

Its fine if its about the image or perception of performance, but so many stock GTRs are so tired and worn out that they will struggle to meet their factory performance claims, let alone that of a current performance car etc etc.:(

Sad thing is the same goes for GTST, though they are cheaper so easier to set straight:)

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Xmas 2004 i got my hands on my GTR and since then my hands havent been out of my pockets!!!

Just a personel thing, GTR looks good, drives great and cost a SH|T load. as soon as they know the part is 4 a GTR add 50% on what you originaly thought, Oh not to mention INSURANCE!!!

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how much would all that cost for someone who didn't have your connections though SK?

I imagine the RB31DET would have cost a fair bit?

Whether we pay retail for a GTST and retail for a GTR or wholesale for a GTST and wholesale for a GTR it doesn't matter, the GTR will still cost twice as much. We have built 3 X GTR's to the same circuit race spec as the GTST and twice the $'s would be a bargain. It all mounts up, two LSD's instead of one, ATTESSA controller, extra clutch plates for the ATTESSA, 4 X lightweight drive shafts, 2 X lightweight tail shafts, a triple plate clutch (GTST has twin plate), Brembo callipers, Brembo rotors, transmission cooler, alloy winged and baffled sump etc etc

It doesn't cost more to build a RB31DET, it costs much less if you take into account the original cost of an RB30 versus an RB26. The reality is if I spend the same money buying and modifying an R32GTST, as I do buying and modifying an R32GTR, the R32 GTST will be faster. Ultimately, if I have enough budget, I could get the R32GTR to be faster but it would need to a pretty BIG budget

As for the GTR badge creedance......GIVE ME A BREAK..... 95% of the people who see my R32GTST think it's a GTR anyway. Even when it is parked with the 2 X GTR's.

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