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Thanks for the plot. Looks pretty accurate. Here is another piece of data from last week's dyno run. It is an direct comparison of latest SAT CBB turbo assembly vs Plan bearing assembly In RB25det. Same car with same turbo, the only thing that has been changed is bush bearing to ball bearing. The differences made in response was 300RPM and Car's reaching peeking higher boost on lower gears. The CBB result was trailed back in 2012 using a much smaller shaft wheel assembly while its end result is not as tangible, the effect appears to be more tangible depending on the size of the wheel assembly or the total rotational mass.
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The 21U R33 turbocharger is super responsive, that supports an average of 260rwkws on P98 fuel, 20psi @ 3500RPM. The R34 turbocharger has an larger rear housing that is capable of making more power, handles more timing, we can also high flow it using our ceramic ball bearing system thats brings the optimum throttle response out of it. The turbocharger it self is capable of supporting the 270rwkws region in average, 20psi @ 3650RPM CBB or 3800RPM plain. If you have both turbos available, in my opinion OP6 is an better pick.
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Rb25 Turbo Upgrade, All Dyno Results
hypergear replied to Nacho Vidal's topic in Engines & Forced Induction
Please add above tech Chitchat in my thread I will reference the type of exhaust fabrications and cooler side of things to get the most out of it. And please keep this thread dyno sheets only. cheers. -
Rb25 Turbo Upgrade, All Dyno Results
hypergear replied to Nacho Vidal's topic in Engines & Forced Induction
R34 GTT RB25DET NEO unopened engine. - Adaptronic ECU - 1000CC ID injectors - Factory cams, cams gears, and all manifolds. - HyperGear ATR45SAT Ceramic Ball bearing Internal gated RB25 bolton Turbocharger - JJR 3 inches turbo back exhaust, front pipe dropped before cat. - Walbro 470L/H Fuel pump - 4 inches induction pipe - Split fire coil packs - PWR 600x300x81mm intercooler Some updates on the ATR45SAT CBB Turbocharger. made 336rwkws @ 22psi on Pump 98 fuel, internally gated bolton. Sorry not the prettiest looking. I just can't get same power out of fancy looking bits. I think this turbo is too big for a 3 inches turbo back system for an R34 GTT. I can't get much more power then the G3 SAT with exhaust connected. Result above was obtained from front pipe dropped before the cat. it would be a very nice turbo to run on an external gate off an factory exhaust. -
Some updates on the ATR45SAT CBB Turbocharger. made 336rwkws @ 22psi on Pump 98 fuel, internally gated bolton. Sorry not the prettiest looking. I just can't get same power out of fancy looking bits. This turbo is big for a 3 inches turbo back system on an R34 GTT. I can't get much more power then the G3 SAT with exhaust connected. Result above was obtained from front pipe dropped before the cat. it would be a very nice turbo to run on an external gate off an factory exhaust manifold.
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A good stock Neo engine doesn't valve float we were running them toward 30psi and they are fine. The Cams are not required on the Neo either. Stock cams on ATR45SAT is good good enough to support towards 400rwkws on E85 fuel. For externally gated setup the ATR45SAT in Ceramic ball bearing setup will be making alot more power then the ss2, and specially if its an older version SS2 its not laggier. You can get some where towards 370rwkws using it internally gated. But it needs a big PWR cooler and at least 4 inches exhaust to get there.
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No its not. but current version did make more power externally gated. Im doing more developments into that at moment. But I dont think I can get any better.
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The Power to boost behavior of the RB20det is similar to an SR20det on stock cams. like the G2 and SS15 versions works pretty well on RB20det in a T3x .64 rear that has been made to suit Rb20det's T3x print with 6 bolt dump. There are very few Rb20dets around so its unlikely I will be invest into it at this stage.
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Clutch/floor/slip/burn/ok
hypergear replied to dyl33's topic in Suspension, braking, tyres and drivetrain
I'm using cushion button clutch from extreme clutch. holding pretty well at 370rwkws, and easy to drive. -
2016 version of SS2 has many changes made to earlier models. The difference in end result would be a combination of alterations made. Ceramic ball bearing system makes difference in throttle response and becomes very apparent when working with low CPR, None VCT engines as well as cars with Auto transmission. It is definitely recommended for that Cosworth engine.
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Atr43g3sat is the latest model that is more responsive then the ss2. Thats the one made 317rwkws with 20psi @ 3550rpm P98 fuel. I think the larger model referred to was the Atr45sat. Not a Sr, for a short stroke 2L depending on CPR, can run in a .63 or .58 rear.
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Hks 2510 With Gt3071 .64 Housing
hypergear replied to Outcast's topic in R Series (R30, R31, R32, R33, R34)
2510s exhaust wheel is too small for thos engine. -
Hks 2510 With Gt3071 .64 Housing
hypergear replied to Outcast's topic in R Series (R30, R31, R32, R33, R34)
High comp + little turbo would knock your engines head off. I wont be recommending 21u or op6 on it either. Better run one of our Atr43 G4 in a larger .82 turbine and sell the little turbo to a rb20det person. The high comp motor would spool up the big turbo like a nornal rb25det running a little turbo. -
Hks 2510 With Gt3071 .64 Housing
hypergear replied to Outcast's topic in R Series (R30, R31, R32, R33, R34)
need very big turbine side for na engines to work -
300Kw Unopened 25 Club...
hypergear replied to joeyjoejoejuniorshabadoo's topic in Engines & Forced Induction
If I drop the exhaust or run external gate, top end torque curve would be more flat. For a good turbo configuration on a good internally gated setup. On pump fuel, The torque curve is usually an umbralla shape. -
Hks 2535 And Newer Turbo's Question
hypergear replied to yoshiii335's topic in Engines & Forced Induction
It doesn't need billet material for better power making. It is more to do with the shape, radious and profile of the actual blades. The New SAT cast wheels worked well in terms of high flowin. The Billet wheels are best working with externally gated setups. -
Only if I charged you full price on the ecu. The actuator dont usually lose tension through time. Check preload on the rod.
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I usually Adaptronic for anything else. But definitely go for Haltech for GTR.
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Yes, discount will still be given. The earliest I can get it for you would be around the 10th of May.
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You are not just a customer, you've been in the development and distribution of this project since 2012 everyone knows that. Of course you were asked to provide feedbacks based on those prototypes and if alterations should be made as you have the car. We always had good discussions, I even invited you and set for meals, there has never been a communication problem. I work through issues, and I see tradition T3x Bush bearing core been a problem. I'm moving on and will only be selling Garrett BB for it. There is no need to go through with this discussion ever time a M35 turbo thread pops up. Simply supply supporting data and pricing of your offering, then let the customers decide for them selves.
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Scotty, Those issues with older M35 high flow could've been sorted back in 2012 when you given prototypes to trail and I've clearly mentioned that I have no M35 back ground knowledge. And you should have never distributed any of those before a perfected end result is reached, with knowing this particular high flow is engineered for your own workshop's consumption. Unfortunately feed backs from you have steered me into a different understanding what VQ25det actually is, I don't felt like to blame you, because I can't be more disappointed in the output of what this motor package my self. I did not go to Garret back then as some of them I've used in RBs did not last. The technology and updates through products that's available today is very different. Today I own two M35 as test cars and I'm very aware of what older issues lays. I've personally evaluated a number of Garrett CHRAs happy with chosen models performance and reliability, they will be all I'm selling. Further M35 turbo developments projects are still on going, through my self and another knowledgeable members whom are currently helping.