Kel

Thanks for pointing that out Dan :Oops: Yep, hate to claim that dubious honor, but a ripple strip and I had a meeting at Eastern Creek last year, resulting in that very same damage. Just don't tell Nissan

Supporting Mark Hawkins and Scott Warren - Team Raceworx.

Too late for us- but we're in Tassie for Targa the week before if any SAUTAS members as keen for a catch up?

Actually- probably do- will check and get back to you

Came across this doing some uni work tonight..... Ironically it's from the Daily Telegraph, funny how they have gone soft on the whole kid in a performance car angle. Sorry Mum, I had trouble finding a park 28 February 2005 Daily Telegraph Copyright 2005 News Ltd. All Rights Reserved THIS picture, taken in Australia, is known around the world thanks to the power of the internet. Yesterday, police finally revealed the truth behind the picture and this is the first time you can read what really happened. The web created the story of a teenager's test drive going horribly wrong and of a woman driver's fate after a police pursuit. But it was mere coincidence how this brand new Commodore HSV ClubSport came to be "parked" on top of several other cars inside a car yard. Senior Constable Brendan Dyer yesterday said police would charge a 23-year-old man with conduct endangering life after he crashed his mother's $70,000 high-performance car in Melbourne on February 9. Stunned staff at the car lot could not believe it when the Commodore became airborne, before slamming into five other cars and coming to rest on top of two vehicles. The crash caused $150,000 damage, with four cars including the ClubSport, written off and two others hit. "He was driving at an excessive speed on the wrong side of the road, lost control and ended up in the front of the car yard," Sen-Constable Dyer said.

Used OK if in good condition. Need to buy this week. Call Kel/Duncan 0412 530 276

With comments like that I got what you need baby Do you want visors as well?

Time to get the liquid paper pen out ...and to think I thought the NSW cops were nasty!!!!

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Interested- what brand and size are the tyres? Did all 4 come straight from a 350Z (I'm thinking fronts should be 18 x 8 and rears 18 x 9)

I'm try to decide if rally drivers are exceptionally talented or exceptionally crazy, and get away with it a bit more because there usually aren't other cars close by when they make (and correct) their mistakes. My vote is still with circuit, mainly because it's not just about driving well and getting a quick time, but also having to master race craft.

The media has focused on "innocent" people being killed in police chases and the fact that a high number of chases start because of drivers committing traffic offences. Here's an interesting article from SMH which talks about the stats for NSW. It would be good to see them do a similar investigation on the number of innocent people in NSW killed or impacted by drivers breaking the law (including traffic offences) but NOT being pursued by police- would make the debate far more balanced. Police pursuit death toll rises: 61 killed in 10 years By Debra Jopson March 4, 2005 At least 61 people have died during police pursuits in NSW over the past decade, a higher toll than previously revealed. A Herald investigation last year found that 54 people had been killed in high-speed police car chases over the 10 years since November 1994, but five more deaths have been exposed through figures obtained under freedom of information laws. The deaths last Friday of two teenagers, Dylan Rayward and Matt Robertson, which sparked the Macquarie Fields riots, have brought the toll to at least 61. Police have said that pursuit lasted less than one minute. While the latest victims were on the run from police, nine of the 61 killed were passers-by and another two were police officers. The extra deaths have come to light in a police document listing pursuits resulting in deaths from March 1997 to May last year. The document gives scant details, revealing, for instance, that there was one fatality in March 1997 at Wallarah Road, Gorokan, on the Central Coast, while one person died and two were injured at Four Mile Road, Brewarrina, in October 2003. But the Herald has been able to gather additional information on three of the deaths: David Kristian, 24, was a passenger in a stolen car driven by Peter John Cousins that hit a cement truck while doing 130-140kmh in April 2001, according to a NSW Court of Criminal Appeal judgement. The chase lasted about 14 minutes through streets in Hurstville which, the judgement said, were "moderately to heavily trafficked". Mr Kristian and his girlfriend, Kelly Ton, 21, had been offered a lift by Cousins at Kogarah. Ms Ton spent three weeks in hospital after the crash. Cousins, then 37, was sentenced to eight years' jail. Jamal Issa, 31, died when his car hit a tree in the Royal National Park in January 2003. He was armed and had earlier hijacked a car and its driver. Police were justified in chasing him, but the two officers involved had breached safe-driving guidelines, the State Coroner, John Abernethy, found last month. A man died at Allandale Road, Pokolbin, in the Hunter Valley in November 2002 during a pursuit. According to media reports, he had robbed a service station and then rammed a police wagon. His car hit a truck and exploded. Of the 2193 police pursuits last financial year 182 ended in a collision, according to the latest NSW Police annual report. More than six in 10 pursuits were initiated because of a traffic offence; one in 10 concerned a criminal offence. Fewer than two in 10 (17 per cent) were to apprehend car thieves. Seven freedom-of-information requests submitted almost six months ago have so far yielded only five pages of information on police car chases.

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You're not too shabby either Shell when it comes to knowing your stuff about stuff!

Franks in a lift leaving Roof Bar in SkyGardens. We've got to stop meeting like this

Kel- M Duncan- XL

:Paranoid: ummmm errrr yeah, that'd be me :Paranoid: Well, I'm not quite the expert on this, but this is what I know based on what I've seen/experienced in the past couple of years. For a motorkhana, I think you'd need: Clerk of Course- The grand poobah basically. They're responsible for running the show and making sure everyone follows the event regs. They're also the lucky bastard who puts their house on the line when they take out the the permit for the event Event Secretary/ Admins- these are the people who have the thankless task of organising entries, CAMS paperwork, and publication of results etc etc etc. Stewards- these are not organisers, they're CAMS officials who make sure the organisers follow the event regs and also hear and rule on any disputes Judges / Starters/ Timekeepers- pretty self explanatory I think These guys get you on your way, make sure you do the course right/ don't knock anything over/ and finish inside the garage. Course Checkers – more officials appointed by CAMS. They would come into play usually in something like the Nationals, where they need to make sure the courses comply with the regs. Scrutineers- these guys make sure cars are safe- they usually check everything is secure, tyres have tread, stuff like that. They get more technical when you get into things like circuit racing, where there is more room to bend the rules! Technical Officers - again, these officials probably only come into play in the serious comps (like National titles)- they work with scruitneers to make sure cars are in the right category- ask Neil and Duncan what they think of these blokes over a beer sometime! I am not all that familiar with drift events, but from what I've seen I'd imagine the officials required are pretty similar to khana (or circuit for that matter). You'd also have: Flag Marshals- the guys who stand in those little posts and watch the action on the track, reporting any incidents and accidents to the stewards, and also waving flags to communicate with drivers. They might also be supported by Spotters, who sit around the track and report anything these guys might have missed. Special Marshals - e.g. fire marshalls, pit lane marshalls- basically flag marshalls without the flags! They report incidents to the stewards which happen in the areas they look after.

I can absolutely see your point Merli - the kids involved in this probably had a pretty crap upbringing and not much choice in terms of living a different life. And while I can't comment on the police's behaviour generally towards this group, I'm sure it's not all that innocent. My point though is about police chases and specifically I'm just getting more and more p*ssed off that media is giving a greater voice to the "police chases are bad/ cops are killers" stories of the families and friends of those killed fleeing the police. Comments like these put criminals above the law- they imply police shouldn't be able to do their job - i.e. apprehend suspected criminals or people committing crimes. They also mean that we, the 'public' whose cars get stolen and who run the risk of being injured or killed by a driver who couldn't care less about behaving legally, have virtually no rights. They had this mother on 60 Minutes a while back, whose son stole a car and was seen driving dangerously, well above the speed limit, before the police started a chase. From memory, he had no licence, just thought a joyride would be fun. He hit a tree and died. The mother, all teary eyed and emotional, said she didn't realise car theft was punishable in Australia with a death sentance. I wonder if she thought the alternative, perhaps her son continuing down the road on his merry way, plowing into a Tarago carrying a family of 6, was a better punishment?

Haha- you'd be surprised how much sitting around, wasting time there is at race meets. You get 15 mins on the track, the 5 hours sitting in the garage waiting for the next race (provided you don't break anything!)

Depends on the type of event really, though I think you need to get permission. To get your National Circuit Licence you need to do flag marshalling. I had a mate get permission to do this at a State Champs race meet where he was competing. I have also noticed that some of the admin officials at motorkhanas also compete.

Now I’m sure we’re all pretty likely to have strong opinions on this, so let’s play nice kids! What’s your take on police chases? The incident where the 2 blokes in the stolen car got killed last Friday night at Macquarie Fields after a 'high speed police chase' seems to have stirred up the debate again. The riots which followed have taken some of the attention away from the role of the police in the chase, but at first the media gave a lot of play to the “cops are killers, police chases are bad” rants. I just find it disappointing they’re not talking about the fact that these guys were in a stolen car, nor are they looking at placing the blame with the ‘hero’ driver who put the car into a tree, killing his “mates” before he took off. To me, it seems that they’ve missed the point. Or, should we all just be saying “Sure, go right ahead and steal my car without fear of being caught. Better yet, why don’t you use it to do a ram-raid, or an armed robbery? Hey, I know! Since you probably don’t have a licence, why don’t you just hoon around showing off, and see if you can take out a member of my family, or a friend in the process”. So I guess you know how I feel- what does everyone else reckon?

The deal basically is that you start out ungraded, as a 'trainee' and you work at an event under direct supervision. You need to do this for 3 events before you move up to the next grade, and then if you want to move through further grades you need to attend special training run by CAMS. The real difference in grades is that the higher you go, the more responsibility you get and the less supervision you require! There are heaps of categories for officials: here's a link to the CAMS page which I think gives a pretty good explanation: http://www.cams.com.au/content.asp?PageID=...ials&ObjectID=2 If you're into khanas, I'd say you'd be best starting out in the 'T' Category- which covers Timekeepers, Results Staff, Scorers, Handicappers and Spotters. I'd suggest you to talk to your club (which I think is running an event on 27 March?) about helping out. Let them know what you'd like to do and I'm sure they'll jump at the offer of extra help! The MG guys are very professional when it comes to running events, especially motorkhanas, so I'd also imagine they'd have something already in place for training up officials. Let us know how you go.

alright, who fed him beer?

Meh- forget the respek, I'll be there to claim an F1 superstar husband

How little you know Beer Baron-san. This is a before shot- if it were after you'd see the green crap spewing out from the bonnet.....