AlexCim Posted July 18, 2006 Share Posted July 18, 2006 Just found out something curious Officially, stageas have less power at the flywheel stock than R33's. Skyline http://english.auto.vl.ru/catalog/nissan/s...e/1996_1/21671/ vs Stagea http://english.auto.vl.ru/catalog/nissan/s...a/1997_8/21850/ Why the hell did they detune the stagea when its 300kg heavier! Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/126625-stagea-vs-skyline-std-power-figures/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
munchstagea Posted July 18, 2006 Share Posted July 18, 2006 Yeah I knew that from reading reviews and thought it was a little strange... More importantly "how" have they done it? What is the factory output of an R33 Auto? Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/126625-stagea-vs-skyline-std-power-figures/#findComment-2337811 Share on other sites More sharing options...
R33stagea Posted July 18, 2006 Share Posted July 18, 2006 easy solution............dont leave it stock!!!!!! Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/126625-stagea-vs-skyline-std-power-figures/#findComment-2337847 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sydneykid Posted July 18, 2006 Share Posted July 18, 2006 (edited) Nissan decided that the S1 auto gearbox needed some protection from the heavier weight The manual (S2) Stageas have the same power as (R34GTT) Skylines But what about S2 autos and R34GTT autos? cheers Edited July 18, 2006 by Sydneykid Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/126625-stagea-vs-skyline-std-power-figures/#findComment-2337859 Share on other sites More sharing options...
66yostagea Posted July 18, 2006 Share Posted July 18, 2006 Somewhere in Skylines there is a comparison of a Stagea, (S1 or S2 I dont know) and two or three other FI cars. The Stagea did better than some. Perhaps someone (SK) knows what thread. Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/126625-stagea-vs-skyline-std-power-figures/#findComment-2337933 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spammeoff Posted July 18, 2006 Share Posted July 18, 2006 According to this: http://english.auto.vl.ru/catalog/nissan/s...a/2000_6/21829/ The S2 Auto and Manual both have 280ps, which doesn't surprise me too much. I was under the impression Stagea rb25det runs a little less boost that R33 versions. Like 6-7psi Stagea, 8psi Skyline. Although that would imply different ECU maps, otherwise, based on Stagea AF's, the Skyline would be too rich. Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/126625-stagea-vs-skyline-std-power-figures/#findComment-2337971 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminal Posted July 18, 2006 Share Posted July 18, 2006 Auto R33 has same power figure as S1 stagea. they did the same thing to the RB25det on both auto boxes. Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/126625-stagea-vs-skyline-std-power-figures/#findComment-2337995 Share on other sites More sharing options...
EGA41T Posted July 18, 2006 Share Posted July 18, 2006 i think i remember reading somewhere that the S2 manual has 10 N*m more torque than the S2 auto...perhaps something to do with the rear LSD that comes standard on the manual Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/126625-stagea-vs-skyline-std-power-figures/#findComment-2338073 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminal Posted July 18, 2006 Share Posted July 18, 2006 the DIFF will not affect the ENGINE at all Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/126625-stagea-vs-skyline-std-power-figures/#findComment-2338210 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burns Posted July 18, 2006 Share Posted July 18, 2006 It's just a different calibration to protect the auto. The autos break! Heaps of cars are detuned for the auto variants. The Stagea is detuned a bit more than the skyline auto because it id heavier and AWD. Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/126625-stagea-vs-skyline-std-power-figures/#findComment-2338382 Share on other sites More sharing options...
stasis Posted July 18, 2006 Share Posted July 18, 2006 It's just a different calibration to protect the auto. The autos break! Heaps of cars are detuned for the auto variants. The Stagea is detuned a bit more than the skyline auto because it id heavier and AWD. yea true the detune it cos their auto gearbox cant take it. This is also true for an Rx8 an uto the rev limit is at 7k where the manuak goes to 9.5k rpm. Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/126625-stagea-vs-skyline-std-power-figures/#findComment-2338433 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminal Posted July 18, 2006 Share Posted July 18, 2006 hmm, i withdraw my previous statement, the R33 AT has 180.20kW and the S1 stagea 172.84kW Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/126625-stagea-vs-skyline-std-power-figures/#findComment-2338441 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexCim Posted July 18, 2006 Author Share Posted July 18, 2006 well, i really dont think 10kw difference will kill an auto box.... but hey, we've all worked out an extra 60-70kw can Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/126625-stagea-vs-skyline-std-power-figures/#findComment-2339170 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sydneykid Posted July 18, 2006 Share Posted July 18, 2006 well, i really dont think 10kw difference will kill an auto box.... but hey, we've all worked out an extra 60-70kw can More likely the 20 nm of extra torque Regarding boost, our Stagea came with 4 psi / 6psi (high / low) The R33GTST came to us with 5.5 psi / 7.5 psi (high / low) So my guess is the extra 1.5 psi of boost accounts for the torque difference. Auto ECU’s and manual ECUs in R33GTST’s are definitely different. When I swap the turbo on the Stagea, I will check the wastegate actuator spring pressure. If my guess is correct, the Stagea wastegate spring should be ~1.5 psi lower than the R33GTST spring. cheers Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/126625-stagea-vs-skyline-std-power-figures/#findComment-2339190 Share on other sites More sharing options...
pixel8r Posted July 20, 2006 Share Posted July 20, 2006 I always thought this was just down to slightly different configuration between the two cars. To use another example, look at where the VQ35DE engine is used, its in like 5 different nissan cars (probably more), including the 350Z, stagea M35, maxima, skyline v35, patrol?, and there are sure to be others I've missed. In all of these cars the power figures differ - either in kw or torque or both. I figured it was just that the setup is configured differently depending on the purpose or the target market of the car. Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/126625-stagea-vs-skyline-std-power-figures/#findComment-2344803 Share on other sites More sharing options...
3intheBack Posted July 20, 2006 Share Posted July 20, 2006 Sounds like the same theory diesel engine manufacturers have. Most common rail deisels will produce a difference of up to 200 HP from the same motor simply by programming the ECU. You simply tell them what you want the motor to do and they'll program it for you. Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/126625-stagea-vs-skyline-std-power-figures/#findComment-2344902 Share on other sites More sharing options...
stasis Posted July 20, 2006 Share Posted July 20, 2006 i think most car manufacturer detune the engine power out put via ecu Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/126625-stagea-vs-skyline-std-power-figures/#findComment-2344911 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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