Wideband 02 Sensor

[RB SANDY]

I need to buy a wideband 02 sensor because I have a a/f gauge, where to buy and the cost.

[paulr33]

without engine management or any ability to the tune car its pointles really. i would recommend just selling the guage and moving on with things.

that aside if you really must get one then you need to get the sensor. bosch have them as to do ngk and most other car electronics stockists. the sensor will be around the 400 mark ish and it could be more for the controller unit. ie: i dont think you can connect it directly to the af guage. and if u do get youll need to either tap a new bung in the exhaust dump pipe to mount it. if you replace the stock one with it, the factory 02 feedback wont work, so fuel economy will suck the wang, some controllers may have a narrow conversion which u could run to the stock ecu.

[paulr33]

http://wbo2.com/

[Robo's]

I run a PLX A/F device which shows me constant A/F readings which i can tune with my PFC. Check them out, there about $500 with an oxygen sensor.

[Busky2k]

I have an Innovate Motorsports LM1. Great unit, just a bit big but they have since released an all in one gauge unit.

All you have to do is get the bung welded in your dump pipe and away you go.

[B-Man]

Haltech do one - http://www.tweakit.net

[Beer Baron]

it wont work with the gauge you have anyway. my advice is pull that thing out, and peg it at the wall to get some satisfaction.

[siddr20]

I love the advice you guys give. So brutal yet helpful and effective.

[B-Man]

Oh - and like everyone else mentioned - ditch the guage you have - if you really need a Wideband 02 - get the Haltech or LM1 - ( I think they are the same)

[Sydneykid]

Have a read of this thread.

http://www.skylinesaustralia.com/forums/in...356&hl=Tech

Cheers

[Cameron_Datto]

This is a old post but ,

Re: [oz-diy-wb] Discussion of Innovate Motorsports LM-1 vs TechEdge?

michael_spiegle wrote:

>

> I was searching through the archives for infomation on the topic.

> I've heard that the Innovate Motorsports LM-1 is "much faster and more

> accurate" according to a couple people. I have used an Innovate box ...

Mike,

The "much faster and more accurate" statement applies to the LM-1 vs

most other wideband units EXCEPT the Tech Edge WBo2 range ...

Just so we could speak from an informed position, we "bit the bullet"

and finally got an LM-1 in November. We haven't actually had a lot of

time to look at it, but I'll make some general observations about

wideband meters first.

We HAVE seen "other" wideband products using LSU sensors and NTK

sensors. I hesitate to mention names (only from a legal perspective,

but I have made some comments that are in this list's archives). Some

of these wideband products, although nicely packaged and presented,

are absolute and total rubbish. The LM-1 is NOT rubbish and it does

work pretty much as advertised. It's packaged reasonably well, though

people say it's a bit large. Klaus is pricing it aggressively and it

seems to be selling well with all the advertising he pays for. At the

moment Tech Edge has taken a low key approach to selling and has

relied on word of mouth advertising.

Now for some comparisons with our unit - as we have a few different

models now, I'll mention the aspects that are common to all our rev 2

WBo2 units:

1. LM-1 uses a 10 bit DAC for it's linear output, Tech Edge use a 12

bit DAC. This is 4 times the resolution. Interestingly, both the LM1

and 2B0 use the Atmel AVR processor (Mega16).

2. LM-1 does not use the calibration resistor that comes with every

LSU sensor - therefore it MUST be calibrated each time a sensor is

swapped. Tech Edge correctly uses the calibration component in the LSU

sensors, and changing sensors (of the same type) does not require

free-air calibration to maintain a fairly good accuracy.

3. LM-1's in-built AFR display is hard to read.

4. Tech Edge has always had extra logging capability built into the

base unit.

5. Having a big calibrate button on the LM-1 invites people to

free-calibrate - this can result in inaccuracies unless the sensor

really is in free-air.

And, there are some things that the LM-1 does quite well. It has a

larger internal (on-board) logging memory, and it has the integrated

display which is handy for showing error messages. It's also field

upgradeable like our unit. In operation it has an aggressive heater

control algorithm and it provide a %o2 reading which we've never

thought was much use until last week when a potentially large

industrial user asked us to provide a linear %o2 output mapping for

WBlin (I will be providing this facility very soon via the next rev of

the CONF program).

Lastly, there are some "big" brand name wideband products that have

been around for quite a while (no need to mention names). I think some

of them, although they work reasonably well, are not good value for

money, and it would be good for someone, with the facilities, to do

some revealing back-to-back testing (no point asking me to do it -

who'd believe me ;-). Just for the record, we have a couple of ETAS

LA-4 units we use for comparison against our own units.

Summing up ...

> Does anyone have good information on 2B0 vs LM-1 in terms of performance?

I think it boils down to a purchasing decision between a good apple,

and a good orange, and trying to steer clear of the very tempting,

flashy, well advertised, but potentially expensive and not

particularly good performing, and poor value for money, bad lemons.

The final word ...

We've not been sitting on our hands since we developed the first 2A0

unit and then improved it with the 2B0 unit. We have come up with some

recent improvements that will result in some new products and

improvements to the existing range. But, 2A1 and 2B1 won't be out any

time soon, but we will have updates for some of our products in 2005.

To us, the technology and the results are more important than a flashy

go-fast look.

Peter.

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