P-plate Laws

[BE6027]

i pretty much think that nothing the government will do will stop any of this shit...

[NicsR33]

Lets say you'd otherwise carry 4 people home. Now instead of having 4 guys in 1 car, you've now got 4 guys in 4 cars.

So you're saying that if they're all in one car that the designated driver will "hoon around and carry on", but if they're all following each other down the road and lining up at the lights that they'll be driving Miss Daisy? No chance of showing off?

Riiiiiiight

im trying to explain from a "practical" point of view. research shows that you are like a million times more likely to do something stoopid on the road if you are carrying passengers so restricting them to no passengers would cut the rate in half.

[skylinecouple]

Maybe there wood be 4 cars on the road hooning but if one crashed there would be three friends alive and only one dead.

[BE6027]

Maybe there wood be 4 cars on the road hooning but if one crashed there would be three friends alive and only one dead.

thats not the point though. there will still be one dead, there shood be none... but it wont stop.

[scathing]

Maybe there wood be 4 cars on the road hooning but if one crashed there would be three friends alive and only one dead.

Well, when one car crashes with 4 passengers its not guaranteed that they'll all die.

And whose to say that 2 of these idiots street racing won't lose control and crash into each other. Instead of one car careening into the scenery or into oncoming traffic and possibly killing bystanders, you've now got 2 cars pinballing down the road. Double the debris - double the chance of it causing collateral damage.

We can speculate all day about the pros and cons of each - in the end, the only way to guarantee that this stuff won't happen is to lock these people up in padded rooms. Its not practical, but the only way you can guarantee people (youths or not) don't run amok in the outside world is to not let them into the outside world.

[scathing]

research shows that you are like a million times more likely to do something stoopid on the road if you are carrying passengers

I beg to differ. Well, not differ, but provide a different perspective.

The data shows that people are more likely to do something stupid on the road if they're in groups (i.e. there are witnesses). Determining meaningful information from the data, however, is something else entirely.

I don't think its relevant whether said witnesses are in the same vehicle, or in other vehicles. How many times do you see groups of cars driven in a pack that launch hard at a set of lights, or dice through traffic? Those same people don't do it if they're not in a pack.

And given how many people these days drive with their ears welded to their mobile phones, its not like drivers in other cars can't call them and egg on their mates. Unlike the past, you're never out of vocal range of your mates to tell them to "smoke it at the lights, bro".

From personal experience (and I realise its not empirical) when I see 4 guys piled in to a car what'll usually happen is that the guys in the back seat will be yelling out the window as they drive past. When I see 4 guys in 2 cars, what'll usually happen is that they'll both gun it and weave through traffic trying to get ahead of one another.

[123456]

QUOTE(NicsR33 @ 16 Jan 2007, 07:16 PM)

research shows that you are like a million times more likely to do something stoopid on the road if you are carrying passengers

I also beg to differ, if i tried anything stupid with my mum in the car she'd smack me over the back of my head..

[SilverECR33]

What solution!? people will always yern to be free, this is just another form of control. people will always do things they want to, unless all freedoms are taken away. then we dont have freedom, so what do all our soldiers then fight for.

[skylinecouple]

Now there`s a point, conscription was unreal in the sixties. I saw 18 year old drop kicks turn into real people after just 6 mths.Maybe after a year in the army hoons would appreciate there existance a little more.If your really that bored you have to destroy a family or cripple your girlfriend then here is a gun, go shoot the enemies of freedom.(no not me).

[Midol]

Forgive me if this was raised, but effectively arn't they saying "When you don't know better, you get no chances but once you know the rules and the consequences you can have a few chances"

It makes no sense. P-Platers are learning. Opens still are but have more experience... So they get more chances than the learners do??? That makes no f**king sense at all.

[BE6027]

totally, the army will fix everything... even if there was all the training and all that crap they say they need, there will forever be people that will want to test themselves and their cars... they wont think for that second but regret that second for life...

[OKBANANA]

read a few of the comments.. here's some of my views..

the 50 hrs that a L driver need to collect in their book be make compulsary to be proper driving schools.. not parents, not friends who have gold or silver licenses.. must be proper driving schools..

the only downside of this suggestion is the cost of getting a license.. it'll increase several fold.. but at the cost of the license being dearer.. you'll get proper lessons n such (provided it's a competent teacher of course)

cheers

You can pay for it too. :sorcerer:

[scathing]

Maybe after a year in the army hoons would appreciate there existance a little more.If your really that bored you have to destroy a family or cripple your girlfriend then here is a gun, go shoot the enemies of freedom.(no not me).

Is that why Pvt Kovco got shot...?

[scathing]

nless all freedoms are taken away. then we dont have freedom, so what do all our soldiers then fight for.

What they're fighting for now. The international interests of large corporations that don't feel that ethics have a place in business, aside from marketing guff.

[jantolis]

Now there`s a point, conscription was unreal in the sixties. I saw 18 year old drop kicks turn into real people after just 6 mths.Maybe after a year in the army hoons would appreciate there existance a little more.If your really that bored you have to destroy a family or cripple your girlfriend then here is a gun, go shoot the enemies of freedom.(no not me).

I no hoons that are in the army so i can tell you first hand that this won't work. They have also been overseas aswell and that didn't change them much at all.