Perth Skyline Owners Joint Workshop

[dan_the_man]

Not really on talking terms with him. Also I think it would be a natural conflict of intrest, don't you think? .......

The last thing i want is thread to go in the wrong direction. All I want to know is if its remotely possible to do this.

Workshop for skyline owners by skyline owners. Simple as that...

Thats a shame that there is animosity between you two.

I don't think workshops would see this as a competitive threat. There is always going to be backyard mechanics out there, the workshops will forever be the ones who pick up the pieces when amateur modifications go wrong

Would you just limit it to skylines that can be worked on? What if someones daily driver breaks down and they would like to work on it in the shared workshop?

Of course it is remotely possible, whether or not it is economically viable is a different story.

[Elliot Wood]

What might be better, if people are all interested in restorations for skylines ect. then post up inviting people to join smaller networks of say 10 and apply the same idea. It may not be SAUWA affiliated but you will acheive the same goal.

Alot of skyline owners want to do this work to their cars, but generally lack the place, the tools or the right specialist equipment to do it.

This is true...but there is

Alot of skyline owners

and that is where real problem is.

Although I can see the reasoning for this type of approach, It would be nice to have member social gatherings where you could have members give advice and first hand experience.

But yeah... just a sugestion.

[alpinestars]

Well if we are on the page, a few guys run a business out of it. Its directly across from HD.

Its deff a business, they do wrxs and what not. Nic is the main guy there , ex mech from speedworks. I have been there twice, thats all I can say.

the workshop accross from hyperdrive is allstar garage yes now they are a business but before from what i know it was a hobby thing

organising this facility theres alot of key factors like insurance. insurance will be abit if its to cover 20 people, electrical bills, water bills. out of the 20 people one might use 30% of the power and i dont think all 19 will want to split it when one used 30 % of the power

you would also want to concerntrate on security aswell, alarms, bollards, braced doors etc etc

you also organising a hoist, tools, compresser, jacks, stands, maintence like hoist aswell down the track

do you trust the other 19 people

50 people in and out through a period through the workshop not everyone is going to be working on their cars them selves

scheduling for the workshop how bout if all 20 people are going to be entering motorvation, autosalon, race events and want to work on their cars to get the cars done for that event and all 20 want to use the hoist

i can keep going on and on about scenerios and situations but cbf

all i got to say is good luck

[GT51R]

This wont happen, sorry to rain on your parade. How are you going to control the environment? How are you going to control payment of the rent roll? Prices of property and rents at the moment are ridiculous, i am a commercial agent so i know what you would be up for. You wouldnt find anything substantial with a common location etc for a cheap value.

You have a major problem with theft of parts, tools and time usage....

I cant see it happening, its nice to dream but there are way too many loose ends... I owned a workshop at that was a nightmare, trust is a BIG issue....

I have some land out in a rural area which i was considering subdividing for a race track, but legally its a noose around my neck, but i might be able to sort a hangar arrangement out with "REAL" trustworthy owners.

The only viable places are osborne park or welshpool and they fetch drug money prices at the moment. I leased 3000sqm on king edward rd and i got that at a steal for my family business @ $100sqm for warehouse and that was 1600sqm. You'd normally be paying upwards of $160minimum per annum plus outgoings of $25per sqm minimum, and a lease would definately be a minimum of 3 to 5 years with a market reveiw more than likely....

In theory, it aint possible...

[SysLink67]

The difference is that a commercial workshop needs to get a car out of the door as fast as possible, and with this there in lies the true difference between a commercial workshop and an membership one.

Best analgy I can think of is shannons car insurance and RAC.

[dan_the_man]

The difference is that a commercial workshop needs to get a car out of the door as fast as possible, and with this there in lies the true difference between a commercial workshop and an membership one.

Best analgy I can think of is shannons car insurance and RAC.

How long would a vehicle be allowed to sit in the workshop? If the engine is out and is in pieces, the owner is hardly going to want to have to have it transported back and forth from the workshop to fit in with a roster. If they leave it in the workshop it is going to take up space, if one person is allowed to leave their car in pieces there then everyone else is going to expect to be able to do it.

What happens when a part of theirs goes missing? Even the closest of friendships fall apart when trust becomes an issue.

[SysLink67]

Anyways

could anyone who knows anyone who might be interested in an idea like this please get in contact with me.....i want to see what kind of numbers we could get together.....

if we cant get enough from skyline owners we may look at joining forces and getting numbers through perth-wrx

be looking at a member ship fee of about 20-50 a month

all tools and hoist access available

we would look at a website system for the roster of access into the bays

and have something like this

4 long term bays for project vehicles 8 medium bays (two weeks) 10 short stay bays....2 emergency bays

full camera security

lock up storage space

insurance

just some random ideas....

[GT51R]

paul understands the issues of sharing and trusting others with junk lying around, time usages, and having people pay rent on time etc. It will be a major headache....

Personal property, and time usage, clutter will be an issue, expecially responsibility of tools if they go missing etc...

[dan_the_man]

I wish you all the best

[R DIRTY 3]

Who gets the tools and specialised equiptment when this all falls aparts?

This is a fantastic idea, but realistically, its not possible to do with all the hurdles in front of you. Should you prove me wrong and get this to succeed, ill drop by the workshop with a carton of congrats

[ix9]

I reckon if your gonna do it - get it done with a few close mates. Say about 5-6 of you. Clearly defined bays etc, and a single 2-post hoist is pretty easy to manage

[SysLink67]

LOL falls apart

What stich9 said makes alot of sense, alot easier to manage....

maybe a small bunch of people rather then going all out.... close mates etc...

But with all the posts so far there is alot to digest.

Its all good, be it negative or positive. Open discussion allows for all possibilities to be explored.

[gazza750]

*Looks out back door @ double garage and double carport and says to self *thank F**** i got all the room i need to work on my cars *but mehhhhhh i am a lazy PR*** and find it easier to pay someone else to do the work lol

[PX29]

*Looks out back door @ double garage and double carport and says to self *thank F**** i got all the room i need to work on my cars *but mehhhhhh i am a lazy PR*** and find it easier to pay someone else to do the work lol

^^^^...I'm with you on that one mate...hehehe.

I recommend putting up a shed in backyard if you got enough space and buy your own tools. High initial costs but worth it in the long run........ONLY if you make use of it though...!!

Edited October 8, 2007 by PX29

[TAKUSHI]

or how bout use do what i did an become an apprentice mechanic somewher that ends up givin

you the keys to the place so you can use the workshop anytime you want haha

[turboedsloth]

^^thats what i did but my boss is satan and doesnt let me use the workshop for personal use. hoists are cheap as now 3.5k for a new 2 post 4 tonne hoist. say 5k for a shed and wollah instant workshop in your backyard

[IMPORTD]

you could always set it up as a business, charge for hourly or weekly - monthly... direct debits/credit card payments/cash only up front etc etc..

Contracts to sign for breakage etc you take the costs straight from bank etc.. or charge a deposit... it could work if thought out properly..

Its quite possible, but probably more viable for someone who already has the space and equipment...

[TrentoGK]

The way i see it syslink67 is looking for real enthusiasts and imo anything is possible if theyre keen enough. However the main "title holders" would have to be few and serious contractural guidelines would need to be set for it to get off the ground. Not to mention deep pockets!

[-Dukes-]

Don't forget insurance...

[Stage2]

or how bout use do what i did an become an apprentice mechanic somewher that ends up givin

you the keys to the place so you can use the workshop anytime you want haha

Haha thats what i did, love it when know1 is around on sundays, work at your own pace and have some drinks every now and then,