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Its not that interesting, if you think about it.

I could spend a tenth the cost of a V8 Supercar on an SS Commodore and probably get it to within a few seconds of the V8 Supercar over a single time-attack lap too. That doesn't mean that HRT etc can't build a fast car.

If I'm not building to regulations, and therefore sinking a lot of money to "work around" artificial restrictions rather than the limits of physics or current engineering, I could build a beast of a taxi too.

Everyone on here will have, by now, seen the video of the Mines Ultimate Response R34 GT-R and how the BMI drivers reckon its faster than their GT500 cars under acceleration. What's the likelihood that the Mines' car cost anywhere near as much as the GT500 vehicle?

If you think you could get within 3 secs of a V8SC at Bathurst in a 50K SS Commodore you are fkn dreaming

Floyd in his HSV GTS VY Series II in the performance car series laps around 2:29 and that thing owes him 100K

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If you think you could get within 3 secs of a V8SC at Bathurst in a 50K SS Commodore you are fkn dreaming

Floyd in his HSV GTS VY Series II in the performance car series laps around 2:29 and that thing owes him 100K

If this "Floyd" guy is racing in a "performance car series", it still means he's building a car to regulations. If I just had a blank slate to build an SS Commodore with $50K in mods with no restrictions on what I could do, it would still be a fast car.

The original Group A GT-Rs were not cheap to run the times they set, especially once you factor in inflation. One big advantage the GT-Rs had, aside an adaptive AWD system, was that they were far more expensive (in terms of the donor car as well as the level of preparation they got) than a lot of their competitors at the time.

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If this "Floyd" guy is racing in a "performance car series", it still means he's building a car to regulations. If I just had a blank slate to build an SS Commodore with $50K in mods with no restrictions on what I could do, it would still be a fast car.

The original Group A GT-Rs were not cheap to run the times they set, especially once you factor in inflation. One big advantage the GT-Rs had, aside an adaptive AWD system, was that they were far more expensive (in terms of the donor car as well as the level of preparation they got) than a lot of their competitors at the time.

Still an SS + 50K wont get you within 3 sec of a V8SC at Bathurst, you obviousl dont know what race components cost, 50K would just cover your 355mm Brembos/calipers and a set of Penske shocks and a few little bits and pieces and you would still be a long way off havn a 2:10 sec car at Bathurst ....anyway I doubt if there is anyone on this forum who could get within 3 secs in a V8SC (maybe a hand full but not many)Id be really impressed if any one here could jump straight into a V8SC and get straight into the 2:10 sec region...

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markimak Grand Master

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iu reckon i could get close to that time in a V8SC within a few laps.. but then again, ive got racing in my blood and i belong on the track

lol reminds me of the Honda type R ad back a few years back of the doctor analyising the blood.. and hes got the racing fever.

i reckon i could wheel ken nomuras Blitz ECR34 not as well but :cool:

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If you think you could get within 3 secs of a V8SC at Bathurst in a 50K SS Commodore you are fkn dreaming

couldnt agree more. i think youd have a better chance if you spent $50k modifying a catamaran. starting with some wheels. when you get on conrod you can open the sails for full boost.

i really find holden/ford fans amusing. they seem oblivious to the fact that commodores and falcons have 4 doors, and are family cars. you may as well drive a people mover. i think the real argument should be whether a stock v8 would beat a stock gt-r, but of course the answer is so blindingly obvious that no discussion is required.

funkymonkey Grand Master

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Here is a comparison...

Mine's R34 GTR vs 2007 spec V8 Supercar...

bet you the Mines R34 GTR overheats and breaks down after a couple of laps. One is built to go fast, the other is built to go fast for a very long time.

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Remember fellas, we're talking about 2006-2007 SPEC V8 SUPER CARS.... if you take a 6 Cylinder Skyline GT-R that was produced like 10+ years ago and put it in the competition... it will have no chance... each Super Car is fine tuned and built with today's latest technology and is worth like $80K each or more... what chance does a Skyline have... I hate to say it... but if Skylines were to rule again, it will have to be a revamped, newly released Skyline with all the current technologies to stand up to these Monsters... Godzilla was not is...

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In NZ there's Pukekohe racetrack where the Gibson R32GTR racecar raced.

The current V8 Supercars race there as well.

Gibson R32GTR lapped in the low 61sec around Pukekohe.

From what I remember the current V8 supercars achieve

around 56-58 sec laptimes.

Anything below 60sec is said to be quick around Pukekohe.

Then there's a rwd 600hp+ SuperGT R32 Skyline that laps 58 sec around

Pukekohe with what I guess is the latest technology -

http://www.dodsonmotorsport.com/cars.php

Adrien's car (the exact same 600hp+ SuperGT R32 Skyline) in the above link is supposedly built by

an ex V8 supercar engineer.

I found some videoclips of the Croydon Wholsalers 400rwkw+ (near 700hp at flywheel???) in 2wd mode,

4wd R32GTR with upgraded holinger gearbox on Pukekohe racetrack.

That exact same car, but more developed version for dragracing (above 1000hp) ran I think was a mid 8 sec pass

in Australia.

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its sad there isn't a skyline vs evo vs wrx sponsored races.

All these skylines sitting in the garage collecting dust.

do you watch the perdormance car races its pretty much production car raceing. thier is the hsv clbbie v evo 9 and i tell you the evo holds it's own apart from the power diffrence. so i would dare say a tuned gtr for race will kill a v8

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Remember fellas, we're talking about 2006-2007 SPEC V8 SUPER CARS.... if you take a 6 Cylinder Skyline GT-R that was produced like 10+ years ago and put it in the competition... it will have no chance... each Super Car is fine tuned and built with today's latest technology and is worth like $80K each or more... what chance does a Skyline have... I hate to say it... but if Skylines were to rule again, it will have to be a revamped, newly released Skyline with all the current technologies to stand up to these Monsters... Godzilla was not is...

i would have to dissagree with you mate.

take a r34 GTR

strip it to a bone

build the eng to 550H with a 3L bottom end and tune it and you should beat a v8 supper car most days

as the responce from the turbos would most likly out class the v8 and dont for get 4wd v rwd

Spunky Munky Grand Master

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i would have to dissagree with you mate.

take a r34 GTR

strip it to a bone

build the eng to 550H with a 3L bottom end and tune it and you should beat a v8 supper car most days

as the responce from the turbos would most likly out class the v8 and dont for get 4wd v rwd

Of course, champ... strip a 1985 Datsun and put a set of massive turbo-chargers and extra goodies and you can make it fly... but the question was, how would a GT-R Skyline match up to today's supercars... we're taking the Skyline in it's prime-time and ploking it into today's scene... no chance... no chance whatsoever.

But sure, I agree with you - flash it up a bit and of course it will own. Turbos always rule in the high-end compared to V8's no doubt.

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