Which Oil Cooler Setup To Buy ?

[DaShMiEsTeR]

Ordered one for my 32R. Trust

are you going to install it yourself? how much and where from Nengun?

[BHDave]

I also run a trust with remote mount which i picked up second hand a couple of years back.

No thermostat on mine though. I have seen trust ones with thermostat if you want to go that way.

If you don't want a remote mount and want a thermostat i'd suggest hks. They have a kit that includes the thermostat in the sandwich plate and it's a very tidy solution. Just get a sandwich plate and buy the rest locally to save on mark up, or a second hand kit. Very cheap on yahoo.

[Gts-t]

VPW

Holley

SummitRacing

That part is Earls thermostat or "oil stat" - again available from the above links. Look around, you might find that you can order it cheaper from US rather then locally.

Look around, I considered the Pommy gear Aeroquip

aah thanks for that mate, wont be using a thermostat tho

[Ronin 09]

I've run a SERCK core with earls fittings for years, and haven't run a thermostat.

car is 340+rwkw GTR32 and doesn't have any issues whatsoever getting oil to temp within 10 mins - even in winter in Melb.

still question if a gtr really needs a thermostat, when mine would stay open most of the time anyway...

[GTR1993]

Ronin, with out me going and checking does the gtr run a coolant to oil "cooler" that also helps warm the oil when cold from factory?

[Craved]

Sounds like you're serious about protecting your investment.

None of the cheap kits around fitted my idea of rock solid, and the Jap ones are way over priced, carrying an insane amount of mark up.

I liked the look of a certain chunky CNC cut take off and adapter that I saw on full house drag cars, PAC cars, etc etc years ago. Took ages to find them, they're the same bits sold here

I grabbed the block take off and filter head from ARE plus a Earls -10 AN fitting for a pressure sender. I then picked the oil cooler of choice, few $100 bux of aircraft fittings later and some hose and hey presto! It's the most hardcore, solid solution I could think of.

I later found out, that Earls actually make the billet bits, so you can import em from the US for almost nothing with the way the Ozzi dollar is now

No way would I use a cheap $400 kit with the above available, I don't give a shite that people have been running em for years with no issues. Def a case of pay now, save later.

That kit picture listed there is from UAS who get their stuff from Motorsport connections in Seven hills - http://www.mscn.com.au/Scripts/default.asp - i bought pretty much what was in that kit, but substituted the Braided line for their Pushlock series of hose and fittings.

GTR1993 - 99% sure the rb26 runs a heat exchanger type oil cooler the same as the rb25's

[GeeTR]

That kit picture listed there is from UAS who get their stuff from Motorsport connections in Seven hills

Yup, and they get it from Earls, the manufacture of the actual hardware i would think.

[Ronin 09]

Ronin, with out me going and checking does the gtr run a coolant to oil "cooler" that also helps warm the oil when cold from factory?

yeah it does - you mean a cooler circuit between the filter and block that feeds coolant around it?

[GTR1993]

Yea, this is what i think might be saving you from running a thermostat, technically you might gain something from still running one, but may not be worth it. If you were flat out in cold weather might pay to use one but not street driving.

[GeeTR]

Here in Canberra it gets -5 and can sometimes not go positive temps till after lunch

[Shaun]

I've run a SERCK core with earls fittings for years, and haven't run a thermostat.

car is 340+rwkw GTR32 and doesn't have any issues whatsoever getting oil to temp within 10 mins - even in winter in Melb.

still question if a gtr really needs a thermostat, when mine would stay open most of the time anyway...

So do you have a remote filter with your setup? I understand that the GTR runs coolant through the oil filter block in order to reach temp quicker, but would this work if you have a remote filter.

Im also looking at getting an Earls core with braided lines etc. Just wondering about the thermostat. Is it just one extra thing to go wrong?

Thanks,

Shaun.

[Ronin 09]

Shaun,

yes, I run a remote filter, it's on the cross member (but sits a little low in my opinion).

it just bolts on to where the filter attaches - the water block still remains (as far as I know).. i'll have a better look tomorrow.

if you can, def get the remote filter - unless you have monkey hands (which i don't)!

agreed - thermo is one more thing that can go wrong, but i would guess that, like a water thermo, if it goes wrong it will stay open rather than closed?

[Craved]

Shaun,

yes, I run a remote filter, it's on the cross member (but sits a little low in my opinion).

it just bolts on to where the filter attaches - the water block still remains (as far as I know).. i'll have a better look tomorrow.

if you can, def get the remote filter - unless you have monkey hands (which i don't)!

agreed - thermo is one more thing that can go wrong, but i would guess that, like a water thermo, if it goes wrong it will stay open rather than closed?

oil thermos work on tha basis of when not up to temp, they bypass the cooler.

So it it got stuck closed - it would just mean the oil cooler isnt being used

stuck open means longer warm ups like you didnt have the thermostat.

so i cant see how it could damage anything if in the odd case it did malfunction.

[Ronin 09]

yeah maybe i didn't explain myself correctly.

when broken they stay open, so i was saying it's not an issue if it breaks, unlike water thermo which can cause overheating

[Shaun]

Yeah, i just meant that an unbroken piece of hose will be more reliable than a piece of hose with a join in it. Does that make sense??

I had a bad experience with fittings once; cost me an engine. The fewer fittings the better i reckon. Having said that, i just had a look at the Earls catalogue, and ill definately be getting their thermostat. It looks the goods.

Shaun.

[Mr. Keets]

Dashmiester-got a deal through a friend, front mount with a relocation kit.

I know this is sort off topic but oil cooler/pump threads seem to have at least one tale of disaster that we can all learn from..unfortunately at someone elses expense. I would'nt build an engine without an accusump

[Craved]

Dashmiester-got a deal through a friend, front mount with a relocation kit.

I know this is sort off topic but oil cooler/pump threads seem to have at least one tale of disaster that we can all learn from..unfortunately at someone elses expense. I would'nt build an engine without an accusump

your link no worky

[GeeTR]

I had a bad experience with fittings once; cost me an engine. The fewer fittings the better i reckon. Having said that, i just had a look at the Earls catalog, and ill definitely be getting their thermostat. It looks the goods.

Shaun.

Loosing a motor is never a joke, but living with a scar that revolves around "using at little aircraft fittings as possible" is a little overboard i think. We aren't talking engine dampeners and Twister gale force, conical air filters. The automotive (incl HiPo automotive) industry rely on fittings at its core.

I would, as others, would eagerly benefit from more details on how a fitting hurt you, as a learning aid

Your right in being suspect bout a device that you add to something so vital, as your oil system, but rem Earls is a world leader in hardware. Proper multi million dollar racing portfolios rely on them, bread and butter. Plus, as mentioned, worst case it jams and you notice a oil temp raise from a gauge etc... and pull over.

Not to get all serious and shizzle, but gota judge things/events relatively.

[GeeTR]

LoL'flaps

Accusumps seem to wheezle their way into every discussion bout oil systems hahah

Brilliant idea, if you can find room to fit them... accept they add more "connections" to a setup, and hold dirty oil, when doing a change. (5000km changed should moot that point course)

[Shaun]

Loosing a motor is never a joke, but living with a scar that revolves around "using at little aircraft fittings as possible" is a little overboard i think. We aren't talking engine dampeners and Twister gale force, conical air filters. The automotive (incl HiPo automotive) industry rely on fittings at its core.

I would, as others, would eagerly benefit from more details on how a fitting hurt you, as a learning aid

Your right in being suspect bout a device that you add to something so vital, as your oil system, but rem Earls is a world leader in hardware. Proper multi million dollar racing portfolios rely on them, bread and butter. Plus, as mentioned, worst case it jams and you notice a oil temp raise from a gauge etc... and pull over.

Not to get all serious and shizzle, but gota judge things/events relatively.

Im well aware of Earls' position in the marketplace, and as a motorsport supporter, i know that race teams use these (extremely expensive) fittings whenever a connection has to be made, but surely you'd agree that with an increase in the number of connections, the possibility of something going wrong (due to whatever reason) also increases. Whether it be failure due to incorrect installation etc etc. We're not all mechanics and mistakes will be made. Also, i dont know about you, but i have to consider the extra expense sometimes. Anyway, i think im splitting hairs and becoming too trivial. I was just trying to determine whether my car (a) needed a thermostat, (b) i wanted to spend the extra $165 for the unit plus about $150 on extra fittings, and © whether it was worth the added (minor) risk of something going wrong.

Regarding the engine failure; i bought a gtr engine for $6500 about 4 years ago, installed it in my gtst with a remote oil filter. I unfortunately used the Speedflow push on fittings with the rubber hose on the advice of a place in Newcastle. The car was on the road for about half a day before one of the fittings to the remote filter popped off and all the oil was pumped onto the road. Im still kicking myself for not noticing, but needless to say, i spun two bearings. For that reason, ill always use Earls threaded fittings with braided hose, and a dedicated oil pressure gauge.

Shaun.