Gym And Supplement Discussion

[GODZILLA-GTR]

These are both nitric oxide pre-workout supplements and very different. They are pre workout formula's and usually stimulant based. They are designed more for energy and vascularization rather than true "mass" gains. The are usually bases on Amino's like Beta-Alenaine. 1MR as an example has got 300mg of caffeine coupled with Beta-A - that will seriously pump you up! I had trouble sleeping some nights after serious sessions.

I use them also, I've used Dymatize Energized Xpand, Jack3D, 1MR and I'm currently using Mesomorph. I like to try different sups and see how they go

Yeah i realise they are different, jus sayin How was Jack3D? i've heard good things about that. and yeah ur point about the needle is so true

[GODZILLA-GTR]

cain velasquez beat brock lesnar for more reasons than size difference.. but i won't go into that, where's the UFC thread haha

[NickR33]

my point exactly... he was able to beat him easily despite the apparent size difference... Brock moves quick for a big guy too

there is a UFC thread!

http://www.skylinesaustralia.com/forums/topic/328057-the-ufc-wec/page__st__180

[GODZILLA-GTR]

yeah i typed that out wrong. UFC thread, nice. im going to post in there right now

[Trozzle]

Have only consumed protein shake, 2 cans of tuna and 2 slices of wholemeal toast today.

Craving sugar SO BAD.

[Nanogrip]

Anyone use or have any experience with mass building supplements legal or illegal in Australia? The off the shelf kind from the US etc, not the other kind.

There is a link at www.bodybuilding.com where it showed what products can be sent over to Australia. I was just looking at it yesterday but now I can't find the link.

[adznight]

Is this it?

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/help/interproduct.htm

[adznight]

Have only consumed protein shake, 2 cans of tuna and 2 slices of wholemeal toast today.

Craving sugar SO BAD.

Try eating some Walnuts or Cashews, they take the edge off. There are also some great low carb bars at Woolworths etc, the Atkins ones are great when you need a hit.

[adznight]

Yeah i realise they are different, jus sayin How was Jack3D? i've heard good things about that. and yeah ur point about the needle is so true

My preference so far has been 1MR

[Birds]

Have only consumed protein shake, 2 cans of tuna and 2 slices of wholemeal toast today.

Craving sugar SO BAD.

See I listen to these cravings...I figure my body has a good idea of what it needs and will tell me through my taste for something. I rarely ever deny it the privelege. Thirsty? Need a drink. Hungry? Load with carbs. Sweet tooth? Get some sugar into ya. etc. etc.

[adznight]

Not all of us are sticks though ey?

So I checked bodybuilding.com and -

Can not be imported to Australia:

Alfafa, Artichoke Extract, Apple Cider Vinegar

Androsterone

Barberry

Cordyceps Sinensis

Egg Protein (if greater than 10% Egg)

Deer Antler Velvet

Dimethylaminoethanol (DMAE)

Ecdysterone or 20-Hydroxyecdysone

Hawthorne Berry

Human Growth Hormone (HGH)

Hoodia Gordinii

Kava Kava (Piper Methysticum)

Lecithin

L-Dopa (HGH precursor)

Mucuna Pruriens

Olive Leaf

Pregnenolone

Prickly Pear Cactus

Progesterone

ProHormones/ProAnabolics of any kind

Synephrine

Wheat Grass (Triticum Aesvitum)

The make up of my sup is -

Androsta-1-ene-3b-ol-17-ono 15mg

4-chloro-17a-methyl-androst-1, 4-diene-3-17b-diol 15mg

2a, 17a-dimethyl-etiocholan 3-one, 17b-ol 7.5mg

Bop-bow....

[Trozzle]

Try eating some Walnuts or Cashews, they take the edge off. There are also some great low carb bars at Woolworths etc, the Atkins ones are great when you need a hit.

I thought cashews had a negative side to them if attempting to drop fat? Otherwise cheers I'll check it out lol.

See I listen to these cravings...I figure my body has a good idea of what it needs and will tell me through my taste for something. I rarely ever deny it the privelege. Thirsty? Need a drink. Hungry? Load with carbs. Sweet tooth? Get some sugar into ya. etc. etc.

Damn you. I used to be like that, though after my stroke (yes, stroke) my apparent metabolism ate shit. Might be due to the lack of physical exercise I was able to do for a while afterwards.

[adznight]

Good fat doesn't make you fat, sounds odd I know but simple carbs like sugar are much worse.

[Trozzle]

Good, coz I farken LOVE cashews.

Looks like I just found something to snack on at my desk. You're the man Adz

[Nanogrip]

The make up of my sup is -

Androsta-1-ene-3b-ol-17-ono 15mg

4-chloro-17a-methyl-androst-1, 4-diene-3-17b-diol 15mg

2a, 17a-dimethyl-etiocholan 3-one, 17b-ol 7.5mg

Bop-bow....

Looks like you know what you need but can't get them imported, I hate when that happens, anyway, the U.S has a strong ban on Skylines so...

How about tribulus + DHEA? They gave me a really nice boost when I was taking them them at my uni a few years back, would definitely recommend that you (or anyone) try if you already haven't done yet. I used less than the recommended dosages, but even then it had a strong impact in my workouts.

[R31Nismoid]

people forget that steroids don't make you big on their own... they just shorten your recovery time and let you work out more etc... so you still have to be putting the work in, more so in fact... on the other hand testosterone/HGH etc will help you add bulk

And the food/sleep - thats the more important part of it all.

Plenty of people i know over the years have used for various reasons. Not going into it more than that though.

One currently does and competes in competitions etc - i can see the purpose for his choice.

The amount of food the guy eats in one day is more than i would eat in 2 and i eat a ridiculous amount as it is. The diet is so ridiculously strict I would go crazy not being able to eat the things i do currently.

But then he is 110-120kg and has next to bodyfat so it's a ridiculous machine that needs correct fuelling

[IOWNU]

Guys don't like to admit to using gear, because it is still by and large frowned upon in society (IMO unjustifiably).

A user is automatically assumed to be lazy and taking the easy option. As many of you have correctly stated, steroids accelerate a slow process.

They aren't magic and you aren't about to turn into Arnie.

You can put a turbo on your car, it still isn't about to go anywhere without the correct fuel (good diet/proper training/sleep).

That said, I have heard of some disaster stories, but that is really due to stupid use, dosages, combinations of compounds, prolonged cycle period, no PCT and so on.

I would avoid them unless you are a professional and keen on entering the competition scene....(or if you are an 'events' junky tops of brah...zinggg).

[Trozzle]

I'm thinking general consensus is that steroids and similar supplements are acceptable to use if you do it right and don't use it from the beginning. I believe everyone needs to put in some decent effort over a period of time before they should be "allowed" to jump into things like that, otherwise you really are cheating - both yourself and the game.

[IOWNU]

That's true. The use needs to be within a framework.

As a general rule, use isn't recommended until:

You have a solid base (85kg frame minimum with low bodyfat, a lot more if you are tall)

You have strong lifts (I'd say 100kg bench, 160kg squat and 200kg deadlift)

You are 25 years old.

You have at least 5 years of dieting and training under your belt.

You have an in-depth knowledge of steroids compounds, steroid cycles and PCT.

[Trozzle]

well thankfully I don't intend on using anything at this stage lol, coz I don't fit ANY of your criteria