Gym And Supplement Discussion

[Dani Boi]

You should feel deadlifts more in your lower back than your legs.

[Birds]

Depends how wide your stance is...for tall people with long legs, you can't stand with your legs too close together or you won't clear your knees.

[some_cs_student]

You should feel deadlifts more in your lower back than your legs.

Generally yes, but there's more than one way to do deadlift's, and small changes such as which way you look can make a difference.

As long as your lower back stays flat during the lift it should be ok

[NickR33]

agreed... romanian deadlifts will hit you in the hamstrings/glutes pretty good

also good mornings are a nice variation to throw in with your squats/deads

[Dani Boi]

Well they said deadlift only so I was assuming normal stance.

[Trozzle]

Chucked in some deadlifts for shits and giggles out of boredom this evening...normally part of leg night, but hey - it's TECHNICALLY a "push" exercise yeah? lol

100kg ezmode 3 sets, no touching ground between reps.

[dezz]

What part of a deadlift is a push exercise?

Ignore this if you were being sarcastic

[some_cs_student]

Not sure if you were been sarcastic, but deadlift's are obviously a pull exercise. And why not touch the ground between reps?

That's the basic rule of a standard deadlift...

[Trozzle]

Sorry yeah autopilot kicked in - I meant pull haha. What's the point of touching the ground? It's a momentary rest, it's not like it's promoting bad form avoiding it

[some_cs_student]

Its the same as touching the chest on the benchpress, not stopping on the ground can make it easier because your missing a small portion of the lift.

I would always recommend completing the full range of motion, unless there is a reason not to.

Similary with military press, going all the way down is the hardest part of the lift, you won't get stronger without doing it.

[Trozzle]

To each their own I suppose, I've got reason in my head for doing it - will just take ages to type on a phone lol

[Dani Boi]

It's called a DEADlift for a reason haha Not really each to their own because that's how you're supposed to do it!

Edited November 15, 2011 by Dani Boi

[Trozzle]

It's the same reasoning behind not locking arms straight when doing a press (particularly shoulder/military) - constant load. Sure it technically might not be a "deadlift" but why should I HAVE to do it that way?

I'm talking stopping about 1" from the ground by the way, it's almost the complete range of motion, just without the momentary release of load (rest?)

[TUFF_350]

Does anybody have a solid 6 day routine link or PDF etc?

I'm looking for grouped muscle days not periodization and cardio on the so call "off" days. After more of an athletic look as opposed to body builder, so over it. Don't mind if it's a program which needs to be purchased

[NickR33]

rubbish you need to pull DL from the floor ALL the time... you can DL from blocks, hang or pins to work on your lockout... okay so technically called a rack pull when from the pins but you get what I mean

the hardest part of the deadlift is the eccentric, the last bit when your putting the weight back on the ground... most normal gyms won't let you drop the weight so sometimes doing them from a hang (when the bar goes just below your knees) is a good option when going for reps

I think full ROM is best most of the time but that doesn't mean you can't work on certain parts of a lift separately... and it will still make you stronger

bouncing the bar off your chest on the BP is worse than stopping a bit short IMHO

[some_cs_student]

rubbish you need to pull DL from the floor ALL the time... you can DL from blocks, hang or pins to work on your lockout... okay so technically called a rack pull when from the pins but you get what I mean

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the hardest part of the deadlift is the eccentric, the last bit when your putting the weight back on the ground... most normal gyms won't let you drop the weight so sometimes doing them from a hang (when the bar goes just below your knees) is a good option when going for reps

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bouncing the bar off your chest on the BP is worse than stopping a bit short IMHO

Rack pulls, stiff leg deadlifts, and everything else are perfectly valid reasons not to go to the ground.

There's nothing wrong with shortening the range of motion, but then it usually becomes a different excercise or poor technique! The person I was replying to sounded like he was doing it as part of his technique on normal deadlifts.

For the record, I do rack pulls, stiff leg deadlifts, AND normal deadlifts. I also bounce the bar off the chest outside competition

EDIT: When deadlifting from blocks I'd still touch the ground, unless I was trying to emphasize a part of the lift. Anyway, my post was fairly specific to the person I was replying to

[NickR33]

yeah fair enough... master the basics with good technique and full ROM is definitely the best way to start

my gym doesn't like people dropping weight... sucks trying to gently place a heavy DL back on the ground... I usually get away with a little drop but it does make life difficult

[Birds]

Its the same as touching the chest on the benchpress, not stopping on the ground can make it easier because your missing a small portion of the lift.

I would always recommend completing the full range of motion, unless there is a reason not to.

Similary with military press, going all the way down is the hardest part of the lift, you won't get stronger without doing it.

I have to agree with the military press part, particularly as I do shoulder press behind the neck and a lot of people don't have the flexibility or strength to have the bar below head level and press it up from there.

Does anybody have a solid 6 day routine link or PDF etc?

I'm looking for grouped muscle days not periodization and cardio on the so call "off" days. After more of an athletic look as opposed to body builder, so over it. Don't mind if it's a program which needs to be purchased

If you're chasing athletic, no need to gym for 6 days man...do 4 days a week on a 2 day push/pull split, with cardio on the days you don't gym = athletic.

[Nanogrip]

On Monday, I did a personal best in wide grip pull ups in that workout session. 8 reps with 15 sets with clean motions at my current weight of 78.5kg and it felt like I can do much more. So next week I will do 8 reps with 20 sets.

[vspecIInur]

I've have finally found what works best for me. Intially I use to do split workouts but decided to go for the 1 bodypart per day (yes ppl believe that it's a useless approach). I've seen my weight go up from 79kg to 87kg in 5 weeks and my strength gains have increased so much I thought I was scaring myself. Definitely have shocked the body now

Most weight has gone to my chest and legs with minimal fat gain

On that note, I've started taking pre workouts (jack 3d/mesomorph) and have increased my protien intake quite a bit for that extra synthesis.