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I carb cycle... so on training days I eat more, on rest days I eat hardly any... I'm not really that grumpy, just have that slightly annoyed feeling all the time lol

compared with preparing for powerlifting meet, where I was nicely full most of the time... I'm more relaxed with a tummy full of food:)

My workout changes as very hard to lift in above 85% of your 1RM on a calorie deficit... also I wanted to back off the heavy stuff for a while and up the reps, to change it up a bit, give my joints a rest etc

Also to target some of those bodyparts that are a weakness or lagging behind a bit

I just miss the total body exhaustion that a heavy compound lift session provides... I don't mind training for a pump but it's not as rewarding in terms of stress relief

have you looked into an RPT style training while in deficit?Of course going to be some losses for you considering what you've just worked into. I've done it and it certainly changed my workouts.

IMO I think that's what complicates it.

A carb is a carb. Be it grains or sugar. Obviously eating sugar all the time won't be the best way but if you eat 1000 cals from your good food category or 1000 cals from your bad food category it's still 1000 cals.

Fruit is just a ball of sugar.

Hit your macro targets and it won't matter where they come from, unless you're trying to compete.

A carb is not a carb. A sugar drink is not the same as a bowl of oats.

1000 calories of big m is not the same as 1000 calories of steak.

Your body utilises proteins different to sugars, and fats different to either also.

I mean, that's pure basics. Why do you take a protein shake after a workout and not a tub of lard??? It's common sense, your body uses different

macro's for different things.

And fruit is not a ball of sugar. It's natural, comes from the ground, is full of vitamins, minerals, antioxidants, fibre and is just down right good for you.

A healthy body is a happy body, and a happy body is ALOT easier to work with.

RPT doesn't work as well for the heavy compound lifts as it doesn't allow for sufficient warm up time IMHO

I do use it for assistance work, along with drop sets, cluster sets, partials etc... depending on how I'm feeling on the day and when I last trained that movement

I program very loosely... if I rock up and it's supposed to be a heavy day and I'm not feeling it I'll back off and do some speed or high rep stuff... sometimes I'm scheduled for a light day and after a few sets I'm feeling great so on go a few more plates

even if I'm halfway through a session, lets say I started with deadlifts, and my grip is fried, I'll switch it up and do some pressing movements that allow me to have a loose grip on the bar... I like to do quality sets... if I'm struggling badly and my form goes to shit I'll leave it, even though I had it programmed for that day I'll go do something else

same applies to drop sets... just because your pushing past fatigue by grabbing a lighter weight doesn't mean it should turn ugly... super ugly form just means your having to recruit different muscles to get the last reps out, which is pretty pointless

almost as pointless as the guy doing weighted pull ups with his training partner pushing him up... why add weight and then have someone help you lift it!?

you can even combine elements in the one session which I find works well

warm up > power/plyometric movement > heavy strength movement > high rep / isolation

so you get warm, then train the light, explosive movement which is best done when your not fatigued... this primes your CNS for the heavy strength sets... then you do the higher rep, isolation work to pump the damaged muscles with blood and nutrients (this will feel easy after the heavy strength movements)

so you might do jumps, sprints or med ball throws etc... then squats, cleans or deads etc... then cable work, flyes, curls, machines etc etc

lose fat, get stronger, faster and more muscle all at the same time

I think body part splits are antiquated and unless you plan on being a competitive bodybuilder aren't suitable for many gym goers

Yea 1800 is a bit low but an online calc says maintainance is about 3k and as said, no cardio..

Diet atm (pretty solid bar two? lunch changes for other sandwiches)

brekky

- shake w skim milk

- oranges (2)

- egg white ommelette with mushroom

lunch

- shake w skim milk

- t urkey sammich with 2 slices of bread n butter (about 150-70g of turket breast)

dinner

- chicken boob (250-300g)

- broccoli & cauliflower (~150g altogether)

Snacks are avoided but can't resist mangos every now and then. Thinking about cutting the morning shake as I've calc'd that I'm reaching ~ 180g proteins without it. (Height 5ft 8, weight start of diet at wake up 80.7ish kg, 1.5 week measurement (last Thursday) was 79.3kg)... Weird cause I'm easily 82kg or so at night lol.

Its good cause I still feel full from the quantity that I eat...

Comments / suggestions pl0x

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A carb is not a carb. A sugar drink is not the same as a bowl of oats.

1000 calories of big m is not the same as 1000 calories of steak.

Your body utilises proteins different to sugars, and fats different to either also.

I mean, that's pure basics. Why do you take a protein shake after a workout and not a tub of lard??? It's common sense, your body uses different

macro's for different things.

And fruit is not a ball of sugar. It's natural, comes from the ground, is full of vitamins, minerals, antioxidants, fibre and is just down right good for you.

A healthy body is a happy body, and a happy body is ALOT easier to work with.

That's why I said obviously not going to eat sugar all the time. I was meaning food, wasnt considering drinks sorry. Still have to be smart about it.

I'm not confused about different macros being used for different things. That's why I brought up macros and not just a calorie total.

Looking back on that I can see what it reads like though. I was meaning if it works into your required macros then it isnt as bad. I'm not about to go eat a bowl of icecream to get my totals.

My fruit reference was soley a carb for carb point, fruit is amazing, many benefits as you said. sugar cane also comes from the ground.

It doesn't matter anyway. Everyone does things differently and whatever works, keep doing it.

Edited by jangles

Yea 1800 is a bit low but an online calc says maintainance is about 3k and as said, no cardio..

Diet atm (pretty solid bar two? lunch changes for other sandwiches)

brekky

- shake w skim milk

- oranges (2)

- egg white ommelette with mushroom

lunch

- shake w skim milk

- t urkey sammich with 2 slices of bread n butter (about 150-70g of turket breast)

dinner

- chicken boob (250-300g)

- broccoli & cauliflower (~150g altogether)

Snacks are avoided but can't resist mangos every now and then. Thinking about cutting the morning shake as I've calc'd that I'm reaching ~ 180g proteins without it. (Height 5ft 8, weight start of diet at wake up 80.7ish kg, 1.5 week measurement (last Thursday) was 79.3kg)... Weird cause I'm easily 82kg or so at night lol.

Its good cause I still feel full from the quantity that I eat...

Comments / suggestions pl0x

If you're getting your protein without it, it will save you money.

If you're not hungry, functioning correctly then stay with 1800.

I usually go with -500 a day, that's what keeps me happy

You said a carb is a carb. Why would i have to be smart about it if a carb is a carb.

You said it won't matter where my macro targets come from. That means i can get all my protein from shakes, and all my carbs from sugar, and all my fat from drinking oil.

And you said fruit is JUST a ball of sugar. I pointed out it wasn't JUST a ball of sugar. And i'm pretty sure a pack of sugar doesn't come from the ground. Go eat a sugar cane and you will be getting a lot more water and fibre than sugar.

You said a carb is a carb. Why would i have to be smart about it if a carb is a carb.

You said it won't matter where my macro targets come from. That means i can get all my protein from shakes, and all my carbs from sugar, and all my fat from drinking oil.

And you said fruit is JUST a ball of sugar. I pointed out it wasn't JUST a ball of sugar. And i'm pretty sure a pack of sugar doesn't come from the ground. Go eat a sugar cane and you will be getting a lot more water and fibre than sugar.

By 'you' I meant the person consuming food.

I believe it's beneficial if your cals are chewed.

I didn't type a novel about it because if people were curious they would research it. Not take a forum for gospel.

Edited by jangles

By 'you' I meant the person consuming food.

I believe it's beneficial if your cals are chewed.

I didn't type a novel about it because if people were curious they would research it.

Does this count?

Just started eating BN WPI with a spoon. Why? Because I thought I'd try it for lulz, and it's not bad.

I do however need a glass of water or something. Badly. This shit is like glue.

Not really, shakes are generally taken in that prime window straight after gym too. I dont. They can be convenient though.

I feel better if I chew down 100g of meat as opposed to a drink.

already suggested that you could halve you protein intake. If eating it with a spoon works for you. Do it.

Edited by jangles

Not really, shakes are generally taken in that prime window straight after gym too. I dont. They can be convenient thought.

I feel better if I chew down 100g of meat as opposed to a drink.

already suggested that you could halve you protein intake. If eating it with a spoon works for you. Do it.

Was a joke, lol. Chewing WPI is the same as drinking it...I know that

This is my point jangles:

If a calorie is a calorie, and a carb is a carb, then i can eat ice-cream all day everyday and it wouldn't be different to eating oats, eggs etc etc.

However we all know this is not true, therefore a calorie is not a calorie, and a carb is not carb, doesn't matter whether it is in drink form, solid form or whatever else.

my second point is that this is a forum, you have time to think about what you want to say, research it, even edit it after you say it.

So it's not a real conversation.

Therefore, take the time, and say what you really mean to say, instead of going back and forth and confusing the f out of me

You seem to know enough that you don't believe what i wrote to be true. I'd like to assume anyone else that was curious would ask for more info and research it if they were unsure.

I said if it fits, then its the same. Within reason.

I haven't edited the posts after you've replied.

If its confused someone and they are currently consuming 1kg of Allen's finest, I'm sorry.

You said yourself you eat a lot of your bad food groups because you can. it must fit.

Edited by jangles

I like the comment along the lines of "if it grows in the ground, it is ok"

Does this mean it's ok for me to do shrooms and rip cones all day? They come from the ground!

I think this nutrition things is getting a little wild...

I don't count calories or macros or anything and I'm still getting decent results.

I just eat reasonably healthy an it just so happens that alot of the food I like is high in carbs or protein.

Counting macros has balls on it...

Edited by Mitcho_7

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