Gym And Supplement Discussion

[-FIGJAM-]

Birds as per your post in Leesh's build:

You mentioned that you don't believe that if you tried your 1RM before starting volume training that you wouldnt hit the same volume as if you did it the other way around due to muscles getting sore.

Yet you went on to say that 1RM at the end of your set can be in your opinion a testament to true strength (along these lines), but as per the above, if you are already stuffed from volume training then surely your 1 rep max weight is less then if you performed it just after a couple light warm ups.

I know you aren't after 1RMs or sole strength gains, but can you see how what you said doesn't make absolute sense? You contradicted yourself in basically the very next paragraph. Or did I miss something?

Hope that makes sense

[Birds]

Due to muscles tiring*

No I didn't say anything about it being a testament to true strength. All I said was, if you can do a 1RM after your volume training, you can do it at any time on and given day, even if you feel sick, when you haven't had the volume training to tire you out first. Of course I believe your 1RM will be higher before volume training.

Rather than contradicting myself, I was actually pointing out the contradiction that you thought I had made: people say that volume is completely unaffected by doing 1RM prior to it, but that 1RM is affected by volume prior to it. I argue that you can't have one and not the other.

[-FIGJAM-]

sorry mate, misread the paragraph.

I agree with your point.

If you have been busting your balls every workout and then change the workout to go for a 1RM at the beginning rather then at the end, then something has got to give.

If you do a 1rm at the beginning of the workout and push out an extra 10,20,30kg (whatever) and then hit the same volume levels in the same set and rep scheme (or even improve it) then something is drastically wrong.

My opinion though.

[-FIGJAM-]

could hit the same volume by adding more sets/reps in though.

[Birds]

Yep that's true.

And before anyone jumps in (because I always have to disclaimer anything I say in here), I'm not saying that doing 1RM at the end of your volume training is the best way to increase your strength. The traditional method is to do your heavy singles after a warm up and then follow up with your volume training .

[-FIGJAM-]

really depends on your end goal.

Trent @ PTC told me to do 1RM's every 3 months just to see where I am at strength wise

as an indication not a definitive this is the be all and end all or to get stronger, just as an indicator

Edited October 2, 2013 by -FIGJAM-

[bozodos]

interesting article

http://npcnewsonline.com/powerbuilding-you-dont-grow-in-the-gym/63930/

[Birds]

Good article; it says an elongated version of what I say on here every few weeks or so when I get sick of reading the unnecessarily pedantic questions about the 99% or someone's latest idea to achieve the 1% when they haven't even got the 99 yet.

[No Crust Racing]

Great article, I like the part where he says Birds is wasting his time on volume

[Birds]

He's referencing growth and people wasting their time on easy warm ups / counting them as working sets; I train volume to burn calories buddy

[No Crust Racing]

I knew you wouldn't be able to help yourself

[bozodos]

yeah it did remind me a lot of what Birds and Markos go on about a lot - interesting to see him hating on pyramid sets too (latest fad with my gymbro lol).

[Birds]

I like the part where he says Troy should be eating complex carbs like pasta and bread

[No Crust Racing]

[Birds]

Actually on second read I notice no mention of steroids, yet being IFBB and looking at the dude it's hard to believe he wouldn't be using; not that I don't agree with all he's written, but it's kind of interesting to see no mention of it with regards to training and recovery etc.

[Trozzle]

I like the part where he says Troy should be eating complex carbs like pasta and bread

Since when was bread a complex carb (in most cases, given white bread is most popular)? I thought it was a shitty carb lol....either way, I do eat carbs. Far too much lately.

[No Crust Racing]

Interesting to be is the part about push/pull/legs.

I've always done full bodies 3x weekly (well not lately but usually) but I've contemplated if I'd be better splitting like that.

For anyone else who does that sort of split, what sort of exercises are you doing to fill an hour?

Before leg and back issues I was doing, squat, bench, DL, bent rows, weighted chins, weighted dips in that order.

[bozodos]

I'll worry about things like splits once I'm strong enough to warrant it!

Yeah I noticed the mention of bread as a complex carb and the ifbb thing, but strong is strong

[No Crust Racing]

For anyone who is not Boz, I just had a quick skim of this.

http://oldschooltrainer.com/3-day-push-pull-legs/

[bozodos]

do you think it would make a dramatic difference to whatever you're doing now?