Gym And Supplement Discussion

[GHOSTrun]

but your not doing it any good by coming across arrogant and dismissive of everyone who doesn't subscribe to the same ideals

I apologies to all, I am working on my e-tone. So used to just being direct with what I think it does come across in an unpolite manner.

[dezz]

Both of those guys are standing next 16yo girls...I didn't comment on size because I have no metrics or real comparisons. Why don't you compare their arm and chest sizes to some bodybuilders, think you'll find it's not that special. Physiques like that are a dime a dozen in America. To me it seems like you are more impressed by the vascularity, waxed chest and tan....

Both girls were over 18 when the photo was taken some years ago now. He was ~100kg, no more than 5 ft 10. Sorry I didn't ask him for his chest/arm measurements.

His physique is far more impressive than yours.

Your problem is that you're so caught up in your own training methods that you literally can't accept that there's more than one way to train.

It's obvious to everyone else in here that he has a great physique, but the PTC clan couldnt bring themselves to admit that someone who uses isolation training has achieved great results

[vspecIInur]

language expressed on here shows no emotions and in most cases - communication is always misinterpreted. Welcome to the internet forums for discussions

[GHOSTrun]

Both girls were over 18 when the photo was taken some years ago now. He was ~100kg, no more than 5 ft 10. Sorry I didn't ask him for his chest/arm measurements.

His physique is far more impressive than yours.

Your problem is that you're so caught up in your own training methods that you literally can't accept that there's more than one way to train.

It's obvious to everyone else in here that he has a great physique, but the PTC clan couldnt bring themselves to admit that someone who uses isolation training has achieved great results

Dezz, what drugs are you smoking? I never made any comparrison about my physique to his. I never said he did not have a great physique.

I said his diet must be very clean to get that lean, never made mention of size until you brought it up. Read what I am actually writing not what you think I am writing.

My guess is diuretics or his diet must be pretty farkin clean to get bodyfat down that low. But alas the internet Dezz could post anything and without a shred of proof it isn't worth jack..

Both of those guys are standing next 16yo girls...I didn't comment on size because I have no metrics or real comparisons. Why don't you compare their arm and chest sizes to some bodybuilders, think you'll find it's not that special. Physiques like that are a dime a dozen in America. To me it seems like you are more impressed by the vascularity, waxed chest and tan....

[some_cs_student]

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It's obvious to everyone else in here that he has a great physique, but the PTC clan couldnt bring themselves to admit that someone who uses isolation training has achieved great results

PTC is a gym / franchise of gyms. I wouldn't say that PTC as such believe isolation training is useless, where is that stated?

The only person who can really speak on behalf of PTC is the owner, Markos.

Ghosty is not the owner.

[-FIGJAM-]

quick question bout your mate dezz, how many reps does/was he pushing out of the 30 or 35kg dumbells????

also when will the gym and supplement discussion get back on topic

[Flynnn]

Ghrostrun takes a dump after a heavy squatting session

[Trozzle]

Ghrostrun takes a dump after a heavy squatting session

WHAT THE f**k? LOL Barbs posts something funny, melikes.

[TTT]

Ghosty - let it go.

If you got this involved in every discussion you'd have a stroke.

Birds is Birds.

just let it go.

you don't have to agree with him or what he does/says.

If he trains for a look then who cares.

If you train to be strong then who cares.

You coming in to here to have this discussion is like a skyline fanboi going over to rex net to discuss why RBs are better than EJs.

It will change nothing and will just be a waste of keystrokes.

People who want to train for strength will seek the powers of google and find the likes of Starr or Rippetoe etc.

People who want to train for bodybuilding will do the same and find appropriate material.

People who want to go to the gym to look lean and AFL player like will do whatever it is that they need to do to look that way.

LET IT GO...

Lifting on Monday night?

I'm going to test my lifts for the CAPO deadlift comp.

Should be there at about 7-7:30

[Flynnn]

Ghosty - let it go.

If you got this involved in every discussion you'd have a stroke.

Birds is Birds.

just let it go.

you don't have to agree with him or what he does/says.

If he trains for a look then who cares.

If you train to be strong then who cares.

You coming in to here to have this discussion is like a skyline fanboi going over to rex net to discuss why RBs are better than EJs.

It will change nothing and will just be a waste of keystrokes.

People who want to train for strength will seek the powers of google and find the likes of Starr or Rippetoe etc.

People who want to train for bodybuilding will do the same and find appropriate material.

People who want to go to the gym to look lean and AFL player like will do whatever it is that they need to do to look that way.

LET IT GO...

Lifting on Monday night?

I'm going to test my lifts for the CAPO deadlift comp.

Should be there at about 7-7:30

[-FIGJAM-]

you have too much time on your hands

[GHOSTrun]

This is Jack, 20yo and less than 18 months TOTAL training time.

170kg bench press

245kg squat

250kg deadlift

When he started training he wieghed 110kg, he now weighs 150kg. body BUILDING.

His progress and training is documented in his training log - http://prorawpowerlifting.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=training&action=display&thread=20

He's built more muscle in the space of 18months than this whole forum put together, wasn't from doing cable flys....

I just find it really interesting that so many people on here have no interest in getting stronger along the road to improving their physique, it's like saying you're going to clean up the oil mess from leaking gaskets in your car but not going to change them while you're at it.

Most of you think I only lift to get strong, couldn't be further from the truth. I want to get bigger and have an awesome physique. To do this it requires lots of eating, sleeping, and time spent lifting weights. What do you think stimulates more growth, 20kg dumbbell curls or squatting 300 pounds for reps?

Edited November 25, 2011 by GHOSTrun

[Trozzle]

Keep in mind your definition of "awesome physique" is very different to everyone else. Personally, while your mate Jack is a f**king monster and has done well - I don't ever want to look like that. There isn't much definition, and to be honest he looks like he's just a giant.

[TTT]

Flynn posting pictures of goat lovers again I see.

Wrong thread broseph

[dezz]

Ghosty - let it go.

you don't have to agree with him or what he does/says.

If he trains for a look then who cares.

If you train to be strong then who cares.

You coming in to here to have this discussion is like a skyline fanboi going over to rex net to discuss why RBs are better than EJs.

It will change nothing and will just be a waste of keystrokes.

People who want to train for strength will seek the powers of google and find the likes of Starr or Rippetoe etc.

People who want to train for bodybuilding will do the same and find appropriate material.

People who want to go to the gym to look lean and AFL player like will do whatever it is that they need to do to look that way.

LET IT GO..

spot on.

Jack might be strong, but he looks like shit. IMO.

[R-SPEC]

He's built more muscle in the space of 18months than this whole forum put together, wasn't from doing cable flys....

you've met everyone on this forum?

[GHOSTrun]

you've met everyone on this forum?

No but I can tell from the training logs. Muscle lifts weight, not much weight being lifted on here, sorry.

[Trozzle]

No but I can tell from the training logs. Muscle lifts weight, not much weight being lifted on here, sorry.

ahh, but an overgrown lump of meat doesn't attract the ladies. Herein is where our problem lies.

[GHOSTrun]

Jack might be strong, but he looks like shit. IMO.

Jack is a f**king monster and has done well - I don't ever want to look like that. There isn't much definition, and to be honest he looks like he's just a giant.

And if jack decides to cut down one day? Gets down to single digit bodyfat? That'll leave him anywhere from 110-120kg at less than 10% bodyfat, pretty farken huge.

You guys need to realise how you look is largely defined by what you eat.

Dave Tate - Elite powerlifter, carrying some fat...

Decided to lean down for shits and giggles, look at all the muscle revealed underneath the fat:

(his pecs look funny because they've been torn a number of times, it's what can happen when you bench 700lbs+)

Another example, Lee priest fat (off season), and in season (cut) comparison

Edited November 25, 2011 by GHOSTrun

[Dani Boi]

Yeah...so like no one cares.