Superlap Timeattack Is Ago!

[Roy]

we'd both be slower

Yeh, but my crashes always look spectacular

Yeh i read the regs, seems a shame Personally i would love to have a go against the RB25 R32 GTSts with the little 20. Everything to gain, nothing to lose

[Bozman1]

I must have missed that on the site.....thanks for confirming.

Still not sure how that can be enforced if it is under a CAMS supersprint permit.

Nathan form superlap might like to add to this as it seems like a few more people may like to run in open but can't because of this rule.

[BHDave]

Yeh, but my crashes always look spectacular

Yeh i read the regs, seems a shame Personally i would love to have a go against the RB25 R32 GTSts with the little 20. Everything to gain, nothing to lose

pride

bragging rights

putting your propaganda back a few years.....

There's always something to lose

[Roy]

pride

bragging rights

putting your propaganda back a few years.....

There's always something to lose

Pride, pride? LOL that is only for the proud And rule number 101, you dont have to be right or even to have won anything to still have bragging rights, especially when the basis of all my bragging is baseless.

On the last count, you are right. I do hold all my propoaganda dear to heart. I will have to work on my list of excuses and my baseless bragging to turn a loss into a victory

[Bullet32]

Yeh, but my crashes always look spectacular

Yeh i read the regs, seems a shame Personally i would love to have a go against the RB25 R32 GTSts with the little 20. Everything to gain, nothing to lose

I totally agree with you, there should be exceptions to the rule, my R32 Gtst has an R33 Gtst RB25DET and its not the most powerful or fastest car around and because it doesnt have a cage it means that I cant compete in either class so Im pretty much screwed completely...

Its a shame because Im sure that Im not the only one in this position.

[JDSracing]

I totally agree with you, there should be exceptions to the rule, my R32 Gtst has an R33 Gtst RB25DET and its not the most powerful or fastest car around and because it doesnt have a cage it means that I cant compete in either class so Im pretty much screwed completely...

Its a shame because Im sure that Im not the only one in this position.

Just get a cage...

- They aren't very expensive. Cost should be less than a decent set of semis.

- It may well save your life if something goes wrong.

- It helped the handling of my GTST a lot.

[Roy]

Helped the handling of your car? I understand the theory but personally there is no way on earth i can look someone in the eye and tell them i can tell the difference from either lap times or seat of the pants. The only time i notice it is when the car is jacked or im going out steep curbs/driveways at an angle.

That said a cage is a sound investment in your safety and also means you can properly run harnesses. Most harness installs are a good chance of injuuring a driver in an accident

[Merli]

Just get a cage...

- They aren't very expensive. Cost should be less than a decent set of semis.

- It may well save your life if something goes wrong.

- It helped the handling of my GTST a lot.

Not everyone wants a cage in their road car mate

[JDSracing]

Helped the handling of your car? I understand the theory but personally there is no way on earth i can look someone in the eye and tell them i can tell the difference from either lap times or seat of the pants. The only time i notice it is when the car is jacked or im going out steep curbs/driveways at an angle.

That said a cage is a sound investment in your safety and also means you can properly run harnesses. Most harness installs are a good chance of injuuring a driver in an accident

I found with the GTS-T that it made a big difference to how stable and predictable it was through the corners, I didn't notice an improvement in laptimes, but I wasn't slowed down by the extra weight of it either! That being said though, the GTST wasn't the most structually sound car around, it had more than one monster accident in it's life time and was very bent chassis wise.

In comparison, I haven't noticed a difference since I put it in the GTR.

Merli, theres ways around that, a bolt in cage would be a good solution, put it in for the track days, pull it out for driving around the streets. Or even just have bolt in front bars and a permanent rear cage.

[Sydneykid]

All Open Class entries must have a minimum half cage, but we recommend a 6 point roll cage.

This is also a bit harsh on guys in S13's with stock standard SR's replacing CA's.

Cheers

Gary

[Sydneykid]

Helped the handling of your car? I understand the theory but personally there is no way on earth i can look someone in the eye and tell them i can tell the difference from either lap times or seat of the pants. The only time i notice it is when the car is jacked or im going out steep curbs/driveways at an angle.

That said a cage is a sound investment in your safety and also means you can properly run harnesses. Most harness installs are a good chance of injuuring a driver in an accident

I have found that a rear half cage doesn't make anywhere near as much difference as a full (6 point) cage. Then the number of attachment points also comes into effect, particulary if you go though the firewall to front strut towers. I addition, after full cage firtment, the suspension almost always needs retuning to get the best out of the car. If you leave it alone, it may well have too high spring and hence shock rates, plus a reduction in camber may also be of benefit. I have seen cars go slower (lap time wise) after a full cage was fitted, until we retuned the suspension. Interestingly enough the brake bias also changed, with the front able to handle more braking effort than was the case pre cage.

Cheers

Gary

[nfi]

blacksx - he wouldnt even be interested running on the falken's or the 595 rs'?

Yeah its a very quick car, regardless - if it were me I'd still enter and have fun!

Blacksx should also be attending superlap... he is no more than 0.5 second behind boxhead and a good steerer himself.

[Roy]

I have found that a rear half cage doesn't make anywhere near as much difference as a full (6 point) cage. Then the number of attachment points also comes into effect, particulary if you go though the firewall to front strut towers. I addition, after full cage firtment, the suspension almost always needs retuning to get the best out of the car. If you leave it alone, it may well have too high spring and hence shock rates, plus a reduction in camber may also be of benefit. I have seen cars go slower (lap time wise) after a full cage was fitted, until we retuned the suspension. Interestingly enough the brake bias also changed, with the front able to handle more braking effort than was the case pre cage.

Cheers

Gary

My head hurts. Which is why i have stopped caring about future mods and have just gone back to enjoying the car on the street. When i can afford to get out there i will, but have given up chasing times.

[N1GTR]

For the first few rounds of these events are Superlap not best to loosen the rules and allow as many competitors as possible?

Great point, it ensures as many people as possible will be there maximising not only numbers, but their own personal revenue

......but i doubt they will do it

Not everyone wants a cage in their road car mate

+1

Merli, theres ways around that, a bolt in cage would be a good solution, put it in for the track days, pull it out for driving around the streets. Or even just have bolt in front bars and a permanent rear cage.

Personally im against having a cage in the car, and pulling it in and out is very much easier said than done - anyway, when i was buying the car i didnt even bother looking at GTR's that had been fitted with cages even if it still wasnt in there

[N1GTR]

Ive now got a half cage sitting around ready to go in

[Noddy]

I have found that a rear half cage doesn't make anywhere near as much difference as a full (6 point) cage. Then the number of attachment points also comes into effect, particulary if you go though the firewall to front strut towers. I addition, after full cage firtment, the suspension almost always needs retuning to get the best out of the car. If you leave it alone, it may well have too high spring and hence shock rates, plus a reduction in camber may also be of benefit. I have seen cars go slower (lap time wise) after a full cage was fitted, until we retuned the suspension. Interestingly enough the brake bias also changed, with the front able to handle more braking effort than was the case pre cage.

Cheers

Gary

Exactly the case with my car. It did take a while to get sorted but it is so much better having the cage in. The chasie responds to setup changes and is much easies to tune. I have also found that I have needed to take some rear brake out of it too.

[Roy]

This is also a bit harsh on guys in S13's with stock standard SR's replacing CA's.

Cheers

Gary

But they came std with that engine so shouldnt be an issue. I would expect an engine change is fine as ling as it came std in that model

[Sydneykid]

But they came std with that engine so shouldnt be an issue. I would expect an engine change is fine as ling as it came std in that model

But the CA equipped S13 chassis are lighter than the SR equipped ones. So the converted cars have a weight advantage over the non converted ones.

How about the line that R32's came with RB5DE's, adding a turbo shouldn't put you into the Open Class.

Cheers

Gary

[Bullet32]

The point is - If someone in my position wanted to attend this comp just for fun but was told that they cant compete in the Clubsprint class because the car has a later model engine in it (even though its not that powerful) and they cant compete in the Open class because the car doesnt have a roll cage, what are they supposed to do? Buy a roll cage and fit it before the event (which Im sure isnt cheap or easy) or swap the engine back for an RB20??

I dont think that you can make a blanket rule like "no engine conversions can compete in clubsprint class" because its pretty vague...

Perhaps the rule should be judged by power to weight ratio??

[Roy]

But the CA equipped S13 chassis are lighter than the SR equipped ones. So the converted cars have a weight advantage over the non converted ones.

How about the line that R32's came with RB5DE's, adding a turbo shouldn't put you into the Open Class.

Cheers

Gary

What about if one car is blue or if one car is red. Silver looks the best but not as quick as red.

Hats off to anyone that runs off and actually builds a car specifically for this event/series. If ppl want to go to extremes and build a class winning car...then they should be able to. If the rules change then change the car that you built to the series rules.

I wouldnt go to that extreme. Fact is its a good way to get a cross section of cars together to see how they perform. If people start trying to build cars to exploiut the rules, then more power to them....but the organisers could find themselves changing rules to fill the gaps....its the risk they take.

Im not saying i am for or against the regulations. It doesnt matter what we discuss here. There are things i would do the same, there are things i would do differently. Fact is if i am not OS i will be there irrespective. Im sure most of us can squeeze our cars into one class or another.

(So yes perhaps relax the cage rule in open class.)