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With todays soft-cock approach to parenting ("you shouldn't hit kids"), there is no discipline! My old man got the belt out on my ass when I messed around, and I know now that I did genuinely deserved it. It adjusted my attitude. Got into RAAF training and karate and learnt alot of discipline and respect for people. But also taught me that others should respect you and your property also. Its a two-way street.

I'm tough on my 9yo, but I explain "why". He knows I want the best for him and I'm only showing him the ropes of life ... but not 'sheltering' him from it. We've sent him to bed without dinner because he didn't do his homework (lied that he had, to play Xbox). He had his cry, but I told him the next day that if you don't finish school and get a job, there would be no food on the table for himself, so if he can't get past that little episode and move on, then he's not ready to make his own decisions and we'll make them for him. So he was banned from the Xbox for a week and did his homework under our supervision. He's now learnt things like the Xbox are rewards, not something he's meant to have by right. He's a good kid and supports his mum around the house alot and I've rewarded him with bike rides and the sort. I'm actually in the process of window shopping for a little dirt bike for him. Do good, get treated good.

Unfortunately, the general public don't know the difference between 'discipline' and 'abuse'. Everyone is too willing to point the finger at the parents for hitting their kids, and still blaming them when that same kids steals something because the parents couldn't discipline them. Eat a tea spoon of cement and harden the f**k up. :P

Don't go assuming you know me. :laugh: I'm an easy bloke to get along with, but get on the wrong side of me and there's hell to pay. Touching my toys without being invited? Thats a big no-no! My background puts me in a better position to 'get away with it' than most people.

And as far as the law is concerned ... you just gotta know your rights and the corners to get around it.

And like i said they had two kids both raised the same, one good one bad.

No matter what it is up to the person to decide to be good.

I gaurantee your son will at some stage do something that makes you unbelivibly angry or ashamed.

Discipline isn't always going to work.

And before you think i'm the kind of person against smacking you should see the wooden spoon i got if i f**ked up badly. And i do think smacking is acceptable within reason.

And like i said they had two kids both raised the same, one good one bad.

No matter what it is up to the person to decide to be good.

I gaurantee your son will at some stage do something that makes you unbelivibly angry or ashamed.

Discipline isn't always going to work.

And before you think i'm the kind of person against smacking you should see the wooden spoon i got if i f**ked up badly. And i do think smacking is acceptable within reason.

So going by what you're saying, it doesn't matter what parents do, the kids are going to do their own thing anyway.

If thats the case, then we shouldn't even waste our breath with discipline and let nature take its course.....I don't think you really believe that.

Proper parenting with boundaries & guidlines makes a massive difference to a kids life and I understand that doesn't mean that sometimes even the best kids won't stray.

In your first sentence you disagree with me.

And your final sentence is exactly what i am saying.

So I don't see your point.

I never once said it doesn't matter what the parents do, but the ultimate decision in the end is up to the kids.

Obviously a good upbringing, and caring parents will hopefully help the child make the right decisions in life. But it is not the be all answer. Like i've said many times in the end it is up to the individual.

In your first sentence you disagree with me.

And your final sentence is exactly what i am saying.

So I don't see your point.

I never once said it doesn't matter what the parents do, but the ultimate decision in the end is up to the kids.

Obviously a good upbringing, and caring parents will hopefully help the child make the right decisions in life. But it is not the be all answer. Like i've said many times in the end it is up to the individual.

Kids are allowed to stumble and get it wrong. Its the lesson learnt that counts. The really bad kids believe there is no lesson to learn. The good ones learn the lesson and move on. Discipline is also a means for kids to understand what they've done wrong and take a lesson from it.

Hell out of my bro and sis and me, I was the one to get busted shoplifting when I was young. I learnt my lesson and I've made mum proud since. My sis and bro kinda went the other way in life, much to the disappointment of my mum.

it doesn't surprise me that the coppers took 36 hrs to respond, ever needed one?, i must say the citizen who caught him showed lotsa restraint, I have caught a guy of oriental descent trying to steal my car one night and...... lets say he had a nice trip in a st johns van.

These little punks being thieves really give me the shits, just makes you want to slap them around, go to school ,get a job , make some money, don't spend your cash on drugs and you can have a phatt ride and a good life. seriously how hard is it?.

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