Highest Power Outputs N/a

[MissR34]

i prob wouldnt get adjustable cam gears unless u get bigger cams.....not really worth doing just on their own. my 2 cents tho.

oh yeah 128 rwKw from my n/a

[R34GTFOUR]

hey skit..

adj cam gear for r34 n/a....advanced/retarded timing?

whats it mean and what will give me most gains?

generally retarding the exhaust cam abit gets the gains, but it needs to go on a dyno so you can dial the cam in, you cant just stick it on and guess

good luck with it, na setups are definately fun, and for a bit of inspiration, my older bros stock na r33 (expect catback exhaust and CAI) did a 14.6 down the plex, albiet it seems to be a freak.

Edited June 5, 2008 by R34GTFOUR

[SHANE666]

hey Cara...

yeah i might pplan to get cams down the track...just trying to see what my options are at the moment...

128rwkw is insane!!

thanks Steve, yeah gnna try an get all my mods installed then dyno'd.

[MissR34]

u could do i what i do and get your car on the dyno before and after any mods that way you will have an idea of what (or any) power increase you have gotten.

ive got a scrapbook with all my dyno charts in it....in order too

[UWISSH!]

ok if your goin to buy a r34 GTR then why the hell would u waste the money on a n/a car???? i realy dont get that!

why dont you save the ridiculous amount of cash your goin to spend on a n/a car that will produce f#*k all power and just use it to mod the GTR????

[MissR34]

not all of us will ever be able to afford a gtr.....one day for some of us it will happen and for others it will be just a dream

there is nothing wrong with spending money on a n/a. im more than happy too keeps me unique and you a sheep following the rest of the flock buying your gtst's and gtr's

[nizmonut]

start with forged internals? billet rods crank, oversized bearings, the block work, honning,oil gallery's have to behiflowed to the head, yet a smaller restrictor has to be fitted sounds odd you might think? i assure you it is neccassary, then theres the oil pump, you going to need a bigger one than whats in there, you ll need to gate the sump, have the fly, crank, harmonic balancer rebalanced, blueprint everything for that nice 10 000 sustained burnout without throwing a rod out the side. heavier conrod bolts, grab the craddles form a gtr block, then theres the heavy duty head bolts to think about

and thats just the bottom end, there goes 10 grand right there

then theres the head, the hiflow, port polish, valve guides, new seals , magnesium fill valves valve springs , retaners springs hats , buckets, cam shafts, head compression, not to mention new plenum chamber, exhaust extractors and flange gaskets you going to go through because of the lumpy idle it will have keeps working the joins.

theres another 7 to 10 grand if your serious about it.

then theres the auxilarys, you gonna need a four core radiator to keep it all below 110 degrees, along with a couple of good qaulity oil coolers, breather catch can that can hold atleast 2 litres with a drain back and one way valve to the sump. you cant use direct fire coils anymore cause they keep frying with an idle of 2500, theres the wasted spark system, another couple of grand

the aftermarket ecu to run those lumpy cams, 3000 dollars including the hours of dyno time just to get it all running let along making big power....

then you ll need a decent clutch, with a couple of extra drive shafts and 7 spare gearboxes(thasts how many i went thru anyway)

then theres the breathing, you running 14.1 compression by this stage and need atleast a 90 ml throttle body...if not two...

dude by the time this is finished you might aswell buy a gtr, thats what i did. ''good luck" ill help ya burn ya money.

[FATAZZ]

just put a V8 in it. LS1 arent they even lighter then rb's

Easy done,theres your N/a power.

[Eug]

start with forged internals? billet rods crank, oversized bearings, the block work, honning,oil gallery's have to behiflowed to the head, yet a smaller restrictor has to be fitted sounds odd you might think? i assure you it is neccassary, then theres the oil pump, you going to need a bigger one than whats in there, you ll need to gate the sump, have the fly, crank, harmonic balancer rebalanced, blueprint everything for that nice 10 000 sustained burnout without throwing a rod out the side. heavier conrod bolts, grab the craddles form a gtr block, then theres the heavy duty head bolts to think about

and thats just the bottom end, there goes 10 grand right there

then theres the head, the hiflow, port polish, valve guides, new seals , magnesium fill valves valve springs , retaners springs hats , buckets, cam shafts, head compression, not to mention new plenum chamber, exhaust extractors and flange gaskets you going to go through because of the lumpy idle it will have keeps working the joins.

theres another 7 to 10 grand if your serious about it.

then theres the auxilarys, you gonna need a four core radiator to keep it all below 110 degrees, along with a couple of good qaulity oil coolers, breather catch can that can hold atleast 2 litres with a drain back and one way valve to the sump. you cant use direct fire coils anymore cause they keep frying with an idle of 2500, theres the wasted spark system, another couple of grand

the aftermarket ecu to run those lumpy cams, 3000 dollars including the hours of dyno time just to get it all running let along making big power....

then you ll need a decent clutch, with a couple of extra drive shafts and 7 spare gearboxes(thasts how many i went thru anyway)

then theres the breathing, you running 14.1 compression by this stage and need atleast a 90 ml throttle body...if not two...

dude by the time this is finished you might aswell buy a gtr, thats what i did. ''good luck" ill help ya burn ya money.

sounds like pretty much what i've told people from day one. although i don't agree with the last line. power wise you'll make more power with the GTR, but money wise you're likely to spend the same kind of dosh (however you have a more expensive initial outlay with the GTR). that said the NA car will sound, feel and be a better car (personal preference) - and no one can take that away from you. if you want power go a 2JZ or a 1UZFE.

[nizmonut]

2jz 1uzfe? wtf go join starlet central, this is a skyline forums. stop swearing lol.

[Eug]

VK56DE then

[GTS4WD]

How did I miss this thread for so long!?!

RB na power = HUGE amounts of $$$

Turbo = Cheap, easy KW.

Thats why its so popular.

NA's can be very fun to drive/thrash but NA's fun is not in power..

Edited June 10, 2008 by GTS4WD

[UWISSH!]

not all of us will ever be able to afford a gtr.....one day for some of us it will happen and for others it will be just a dream

there is nothing wrong with spending money on a n/a. im more than happy too keeps me unique and you a sheep following the rest of the flock buying your gtst's and gtr's

gtr's have come down alot in price recently and are more affordable then ever before

ok why did u buy a n/a skyline?????? my guess is because of the new laws bought in, am i right????

if these laws wern't in place im sure u would of went out and bought the turbo version. And there is a reason why everyone goes out and buys them, its the smart thing to do.

[GTS4WD]

And there is a reason why everyone goes out and buys them, its the smart thing to do.

[UWISSH!]

was talking about turbo models not gtr's

my bad

[SHANE666]

lol who says one is not allowed to enjoy their non turbo?

i bought my non turbo beause of the new p-plater laws.

but yeah i probably would have gone for a gtt if it werent for those laws.

gotta say alot of turbo's have little things here and there play up.

[Eug]

i'm not restricted by p plate restriction. never have been and i didn't choose to buy a turbo variant purely because my car is predominantly used for driving to uni, shops, work, etc. it makes no difference if i had a gtr, gtst or gts it would still take me the same amount of time to get me where i'm going.

i can guarantee you that a large portion of the turbo skyline drivers don't/can't even make use of a large chunk of their power. who cares if you make 300rwkw - you're still driving at 100km like i am and like any other barina out there. so really you're making 300rwkw because of your ego.

however for that little portion that do any sort of motorsport, good on them. that said, my personal findings have been that a portion of these so called 'turbo drivers' can't even make use of their awesome turbo power. my track times at QR are an indication of that. having a turbo skyline does not make you a good driver, having more power than the other guy does not make you a better driver either. so for some of them it all comes down to materialistic wank 'i make 300rwkw woohoo my e-penis is big'.

i'll reiterate that i am talking about the select portion of 'turbo drivers'

all the gtst/gtr owners seem to think that the gts owners are green with envy - seriously who are they kidding? if the car does what you want it to do why deviate from that? if i wanted to carry lots of people i'd buy a mini bus, if i want to have a nice handling car which is decent on fuel, looks ok, has a wide variety of performance parts, responds well to mods and gets me from A to B then i'd buy an NA skyline (my choice 5 years ago).

if anyone has a problem in other people's choice in cars, whether it be due to personal, financial or practical reasons then i suggest you keep it to yourselves.

And there is a reason why everyone goes out and buys them, its the smart thing to do.

UWISSH! by your above statement you are implying non turbo drivers are dumb. can you clarify this further and if so, i expect an apology. you WILL NOT discriminate! be careful with your wording please.

[MissR34]

gtr's have come down alot in price recently and are more affordable then ever before

ok why did u buy a n/a skyline?????? my guess is because of the new laws bought in, am i right????

if these laws wern't in place im sure u would of went out and bought the turbo version. And there is a reason why everyone goes out and buys them, its the smart thing to do.

im in sa love so the p plate laws havent come in affect here YET.

however i am on my full licence anyway so it wont affect me. the reson why i got a n/a? you really wanna know? cause i didnt want to wrap myself around a f****g tree thats why. ive got a brain im not stupid.

ive never owned a performance car before my lil 34 and im happy with what i have got and will be happy for a long time.

stop trying to be a hero and leave the n/a car owners alone. not everyone can afford a turbo car, especially with the way insurance is these days. and the cost of petrol aswell.

so the smart thing to do is to go and encourage p platers to go buy a turbo car is it? (if the laws werent around) im sorry but a high powered vehicle in the hands of an inexperienced driver is bad bad news in my eyes.

the smart thing for you to do is to go away.

[SHANE666]

word.

[GTS4WD]

This is what I dont like in the scene!

People choose their car according to what they;

- need

- want

- can afford

- is practicle for them

We choose the mods we want and how we want to spend our money because it is what will make us happy and happier with our car.

Modifing is about understanding, apprecieating and respecting ALL forms of late model jap car scene: boro drifters, circuit, show, togue, function, form, 4's, 6's 8's, NA, Turbo, V-tech etc. etc.

Eug makes a brillant point. The speed limit is the law, whether you have 24hp or 432KW. For more of an insight about what I think about power, see my sig. Too many people who drive turbo cars want more power, less than half of them know how to fully extract the powr of their engines or even how to control a their car fully. Many people use power to make up for the lack of skill.

This does not mean NA's are in any way shape or form are "inferior". I have quite easily kept up to more powerfull turbo cars through twisties. Look at Cara's car, easily blow off alot of turbo cars. Whats it up to now? 180kw?

So before any one rags on anyone else.. remember its a personal thing. We are all here because we all share the same pasion.