R32 - Rb20 220 230kws Vs New V8's

[super_s13]

My mate has a r32 with a rb20 running some decent mods and hits 212rwkw on an extremely safe tune. He wastes all stocko commodores and Monaros the new R8s everything in stock form. I am running a almost stock rb25 and am pushing around 188rwkw and i beat a 270rwkw worked na VX clubby. Smashed him by bout 1.2 seconds on the strip. From start to finish i left him he could not reel me in. It all comes down to your driving style. Though the shit your saying bout your car it seems with a smaller turbo making 20ish less KW you wont notice the difererence if the tune is right.

I would take usable power over top end hp any time.

[limpus]

some food for thought. A VE HSV Maloo R8 Ute (317kw) has around 220kw at the wheels and weighs 1700kg..

but once they start purchasing twin turbo kits, we're all in trouble

http://ls1turbo.com.au/au/ve_genttbb.html

220rwkw but with massive torque and huge area under the curve...you're still screwed...and if they're modded...you're doubly screwed...

I ran 237rwkw in my old 32 and unless i was really trying (proper launch and warm tyres) i'd be eaten just about every time on the street...i'd hit boost and light the tyres up (proper tyres too) and its all over...on the strip though its different as the car runs 12s and has shocked a few of the bigger boys...

[Italiazr1]

yep i hear ya all i havent got the launch down pat yet thats why they are one up on me off the line

hopefully with that lower down torque on my new turbo i might be able to launch more reasonably

though i really liked the wheel spin right through second gear occasionally sounds bloody awsome with the screamer pipe

[PM-R33]

I am running a almost stock rb25 and am pushing around 188rwkw and i beat a 270rwkw worked na VX clubby. Smashed him by bout 1.2 seconds on the strip. From start to finish i left him he could not reel me in. It all comes down to your driving style.

Did he miss multiple gears, have 185 tyres on and spun the whole track, not know how to drive, blew a clutch, have it in reverse or what? A LS1 pushing that much power would smoke a 188rwkw skyline any day of the week even with a crap launch, so obviously there is more to the story. A VX clubby does a quarter in about 14 seconds give or take with variables. A stock RB25 does it in about 14-14.5, lets say one with 188rwkw does a 13.5 for arguments sake, once again give or take. You beat a 270rwkw clubby by 1.2seconds...... So his 270rwkw clubby is slower than a stock clubby?

Once again i ask, what's the rest of the story?

Edited November 25, 2008 by PM-R33

[WYTSKY]

Did he miss multiple gears, have 185 tyres on and spun the whole track, not know how to drive, blew a clutch, have it in reverse or what? A LS1 pushing that much power would smoke a 188rwkw skyline any day of the week even with a crap launch, so obviously there is more to the story. A VX clubby does a quarter in about 14 seconds give or take with variables. A stock RB25 does it in about 14-14.5, lets say one with 188rwkw does a 13.5 for arguments sake, once again give or take. You beat a 270rwkw clubby by 1.2seconds...... So his 270rwkw clubby is slower than a stock clubby?

Once again i ask, what's the rest of the story?

the driver was an 88 year old granny?

this statement though....

"A VE HSV Maloo R8 Ute (317kw) has around 220kw at the wheels and weighs 1700kg"

Really??? they loose that much through the gearbox/drivetrain/etc? I thought they were meant to be like the super ute....

[PM-R33]

Yeah that seems a bit strange to me aswell. The 300kw GTS Coupe's did around 220-230kw you'd think the new VE with more power and a better drivetrain would make more than 220kw.

[lachlanrb20s13]

food for thought-

my rb20 s13 with a t04e ran mid 14's with a bad launch and mid 12's with a good launch

[Silvia GTR]

you really shouldnt have any trouble beating them.

im running an rb20 in a 180sx, when the motor was almost standard it was level pegging with a hsv R8.

now im running a 3071r and step 1 cams badly tuned and its still alot quicker then it was

Yeah my old RB20 S13 was only lightly modified; exhaust, intake, FMIC ,remap and had no trouble keeping up with CV8's and the like.

You could burn them on the launch aswell..

[Roy]

If you are going 3071 you should still be around 230-240rwkws which will make for a quick/fun car. Is it quicker then late model V8s? Who knows.

My best time at the strip was with 14psi (approx 220rwkws) as at the time my std coils introduced a miss with any more boost. At the time i couldnt launch a car to save me (actually, that is still true) i have run a 12.9 @113mph with a 2.2 60 ft time. Get that to a 2.0sec 60ft time and better shifts with your sort of power you should be able to run 12.5 or better.

So the question is will a late model V8 do a 12.5 or better? Plenty probably can but the way the little 20 with a 3071 will deliver its power it will feel plenty quick and be fun to drive...unless you want to spend major money that has to be enough if the rest of your car is sorted then 230-250rwkws in an R32 can do quite a lot

[TTT]

what turbo is on there now?

Edited November 26, 2008 by GTST

[Ultimategtr]

Very interesting thread.

I once raced a brand new sv6 holden, they push around 190kw. I had a bad case of misfire where it wud misfire over 5k. and i was only boosting 5psi and the oil hadnt been changed for at least 15000ks. Was a bit stupid of me tho. Didnt launch it and kept up with it all the way till around 140 when had to slow down.

When i had it serviced and had the misfire sorted, raced an FPV pursuit 290kw from 0-150k and kept up with it no sweat, but then i still have a boost creep issue! DOH!!!

Now i pretty much have it sorted. Waiting for another punter to line me up at the lights. Im only pusing around 190rwkw atm and running 7-8psi.

[Rekin]

the driver was an 88 year old granny?

this statement though....

"A VE HSV Maloo R8 Ute (317kw) has around 220kw at the wheels and weighs 1700kg"

Really??? they loose that much through the gearbox/drivetrain/etc? I thought they were meant to be like the super ute....

This is where i got the number from;

http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=94376

On the dyno the HSV Maloo got down and pumped out 225rwkw in the steaming conditions which isnt too bad for a tight new car, and something that we can readily aim to try and double with the fitment of a Gen-TT VE BB Intercooled Twin Turbocharger system

[Italiazr1]

turbo that has just been taken off has done 7000km its a gt3082r / gt3040 anyone wanna buy it by the way asking 1500 atm serial 700177 - 5014

new turbo going on today/tomorrow is a 3071r/3076r unsure of exactly what it is only cause its custom built / modified for my car serial 700177 - 5018

Roy it just must be how hard the bigger turbo's are to launch im sure we can both drive fine...

except when boost comes on hahahaha

[Roy]

My car doesnt really make enough boost in 1st gear to spin the tyres. This is on a slippery skid pan and you can see it doesnt exactly fry tyres. I only leave th eline at about 4,0000rpm with little clutch slippage so to try and get some life out of the clutch and gearbox

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=axjx18jAQ4g&...feature=channel

But you can see, its not that crazy when it hits....thats about the same sort of launch i did for the 12.9 so with a bit less respect for the drivetrain could probably get it off the line better. Rear end alignment make a big difference to power down

[yogi000]

i have an r32 aswell making approx 205rwkw.

i was able to run a 13.1 @ 108mph, so that would be pretty close with an stock ls2

[joeyjoejoejuniorshabadoo]

why would the new commo's make more... holden are only advertising 7kw more anyway

[R33GOD]

the only advantage the mildly modded r32 or r33 gtst will have over the hsv's is the weight factor.

example. 300rwk hsv would be very similiar to a 230 rwk r33 gtst.

But these days the 6.0 lt hsv's are pushing 340-360rwk modded.

Your gtst will need close to 300rwk to be on par.

Gtst's are known to have a very short 1st gear. U screw that up the Hsv's rape ya.

On an r32 gtst you'd probably need 210-220rwk for the same result.

Against a stock ls2 that should be more than enough power to own em. But alot arent stock....

Edited November 27, 2008 by R33GOD

[Pattygtst]

And its only taken the Holdens how long?

[seraphyn_r33]

who cares if your faster or slower, at least your not driving a holden

[Aiight]

who cares if your faster or slower, at least your not driving a holden

QFT