Guilt-toy Installs Vipec V44 Plug In.. & Base Tuned

[Scooby]

to be honest every product needs a gimmic to market (the autotune is no gimmic) and with the vipec they have chosen to that particular feature to speruke.

fair enough. i would have a vipec board in the GTR now but the tune last thursday didn't go ahead because boards weren't available.

so the QT doesn't really save much time at all?

Edited December 20, 2008 by Scooby

[Swiper the Fox]

fair enough. i would have a vipec board in the GTR now but the tune last thursday didn't go ahead because boards weren't available.

so the QT doesn't really save much time at all?

the demand for V44 Skyline plug-in boards has been overwhelming...so much so that the manufacturer has been unable to keep up. More should come available very soon.

Scooby if tuning was based on the time it took then Haltech ecu's would cost $2000 to tune...lol

[Scooby]

the demand for V44 Skyline plug-in boards has been overwhelming...so much so that the manufacturer has been unable to keep up. More should come available very soon.

Scooby if tuning was based on the time it took then Haltech ecu's would cost $2000 to tune...lol

lol, yeah i see your point.

[Guilt-Toy]

if a tuner tuned a car according to QT only then chances are the car will blow up. There is more to tuning then just doing the cruise fuel maps

you have to realise that there is alot more to a tune then just fuel ratio's.... if a noob plugs in a vipec and loads up auto tune and tunes the car it probly wont work, the guy from UE said to me, the tuning part on the dyno is the easiest part, its only 20% of the tune, the rest of the tune is setup.

If the tuner gets the setup wrong then your screwed

[Scooby]

i do realise that there is a lot of work in proper set up tuning, and expected QT to be an adjunct only, but the Vipec literature is bold and unambiguous. maybe it needs to be changed slightly so expectations aren't raised. my question was just cost vs benefit ie if it's really such a great time-saving measure why Vipec does tuning still cost the same. i understand from what you guys are saying that QT is good, but probably doesn't save that much time, so it makes sense that it's not going to change the cost of tuning all that much.

thanks for clarifying

[discopotato03]

Yep I agree with the Haltechs - at least the early ones .

I was never comfortable with how they had the software - gauge pressure instead of absolute and their innitial resistance to sequential injection . The early ones possibly were short on processing power and the loom sockets limited in pins and wires .

I don't know if they stayed with the bar graph interface but that was hard to stomach too .

I played with an E6 an F9 and them an Autronic SMC which software interface wise was much much better - once I learnt to set the charge temp estimation table properly .

The major limitations I found to be manifold pressure sensing because setting air temp corrections was so critical and if it's wrong the tune can be a bit eratic .

The only people that ever convinced me that MAP could be ok were the fellas at Allen Engineering (Malalla in those days) but they parked a MAF sensor in front of the engines air intake when they tuned their Autronics and logged everything .

That way they knew how much air was going in and its density in one simple 0-5v signal .

So for me EMSs have to be able to run from mass air sensors which at the moment means a Power FC .

Truth be know the best Skyline computer could be the standard one with something better than flash memory so it could be tuned in real time and saved like in a PFC or other aftermarket computer .

The ViPec does look very interesting and I hope in future ways can be found to make knock sensing systems fast and accurate enough to prevent engine damage .

Need the mass air software , cheers A .

[Swiper the Fox]

the new firmware update has AFM options for you mass air lovers...was up on the site but has been taken down temporarily.

Edited December 21, 2008 by DiRTgarage

[Scooby]

Truth be know the best Skyline computer could be the standard one with something better than flash memory so it could be tuned in real time and saved like in a PFC or other aftermarket computer .

Nistune does that. However, by the time you buy Z32s or similar, and a boost controller, you're at the price of a Vipec board anyway.

[Swiper the Fox]

STOP PRESS: we are currently looking into developing a simple dash style interface similar to the Power FC Commander unit. Should satisfy all the boy racers out there...will have all engine parameters (hopefully including knock level) complete with warning lights and shift lights.

Stay tuned!!

[fatz]

last time i got v44

i had to go to the doctors to get a cream!

[Swiper the Fox]

last time i got v44

i had to go to the doctors to get a cream!

sex with animals again?

will you ever learn?

Edited December 21, 2008 by DiRTgarage

[skylinekid]

call me a boy racer then.... i still like to be able to keep an eye on the knock water temp etc... its a handy lil thing

[Guilt-Toy]

call me a boy racer then.... i still like to be able to keep an eye on the knock water temp etc... its a handy lil thing

I think the Boy Racer statement is crap.

My power FC hand controller has saved my engine from overheating to the point of destroying itself at least 4 times or so that i can remember.

The coolant temp sensor on the dash only moves to the H when the temp gets to 110deg, it does not even work if the water leaks out of the car, so it only works when there is coolant / water in the system.

So yeah the ECU temp sensor is a better sensor and it still works when the coolant leaks out of the system, so yeah when my power fc temp was reading 99deg (last time i caught it the thing got that hot) my dash gauge did not move from running temp.

Pulled over worked out the issue, got the car home filling it up every 4 minutes of driving and replaced the radiator and its still going strong, if you have spent 6k on a forged motor then being carefull about engine temps are a must. imo

[Swiper the Fox]

Hey dont get all upset ya thin skinned fu(kers...im a boy racer too

the only thing i used to display was coolant temp....displaying knock was something that never worried me as my car was well tuned and i used sealed drum fuel when racing and any dangerous knock is shown by the 'check engine' light.

i think for the price of the hand controller a peak hold temp gauge would have been better as my h/c was more used during tuning than anything else.

Anthony you must admit a lot of guys want the hand controller fixed to their dash to impress people...and wouldn't have a clue how to properly use it (ive come across plenty of these guys)

[Guilt-Toy]

Hey dont get all upset ya thin skinned fu(kers...im a boy racer too

the only thing i used to display was coolant temp....displaying knock was something that never worried me as my car was well tuned and i used sealed drum fuel when racing and any dangerous knock is shown by the 'check engine' light.

i think for the price of the hand controller a peak hold temp gauge would have been better as my h/c was more used during tuning than anything else.

Anthony you must admit a lot of guys want the hand controller fixed to their dash to impress people...and wouldn't have a clue how to properly use it (ive come across plenty of these guys)

Hand controllers get the chicks hey ??

[Swiper the Fox]

Hand controllers get the chicks hey ??

didn't you have yours strapped to your hip at Nando's last night?

[Angus Smart]

Hey guys,

what are these vipec ecu's like compared to something like fcon pro? put the limitations aside with the fcon's "access to tuning software problem" and tell me what you think!

tho i guess this question would be hard to answer since not many people have looked at the fcon from a tuning point of view but surely someone would know

Cheers.

???????????????? no body?

[Swiper the Fox]

???????????????? no body?

you would be hard pressed to find an experienced f-con tuner on here to give an educated response.

[Guilt-Toy]

didn't you have yours strapped to your hip at Nando's last night?

ohhhh yeah mate.. the chicks were like, omg show me your knock readings honey

[Swiper the Fox]

ohhhh yeah mate.. the chicks were like, omg show me your knock readings honey

thats some funny sh1t ^

good thing it doesn't display egt's...they would have been high!

Edited December 21, 2008 by DiRTgarage