March Motor "gtr Returns"

[N1GTR]

Fu(k these comparisons are stupid.

A fair one would be to get a v8supercar and a stock v8 SS current model. See the difference in lap times there. Then a stock GTR and a race prepped one, then see the difference.

The one with the smaller gap would clearly be the better road version of a race car.

[DaGr81]

???

Well my friend they were comparing v8 super car times with gtr times, the super cars use slicks and weigh less and have 600hp or so, the gtr has less hp more weight and road tyres so if you put the v8 super cars on road tyres and had similar power I doubt they'd be 18 seconds a lap faster!

[LSX-438]

Well my friend they were comparing v8 super car times with gtr times, the super cars use slicks and weigh less and have 600hp or so, the gtr has less hp more weight and road tyres so if you put the v8 super cars on road tyres and had similar power I doubt they'd be 18 seconds a lap faster!

Here's an interesting video which compares a VYSS Commodore, A9X and V8Supercar around bathurst.

It looks like the VYSS did a 2:51 (driven by a V8SC driver) so that might give some comparison with resect to how much quicker the R35 is vs an actual commodore road car - stock for stock. About 25 seconds.

[LSX-438]

actually come to think of it, the Motor lap times are probably not from a standing start (like the video) so the comparison is probably BS

[N1GTR]

Its almost funny how fast the A9X gets overtaken on the straight by the 2004 supercar

[G_T_R]

I know the comparison is a bit silly, but did anyone stop to think that this was probably the most readily available data that they had...............

[LSX-438]

I know the comparison is a bit silly, but did anyone stop to think that this was probably the most readily available data that they had...............

True, i suppose it makes for an entertaining read anyway.

Has anyone been keeping track of the bathurst production car race this weekend? Perhas those times are better for comparison sakes. Whilst they are "production" cars they generally have a good setup, dedicated for the track. A standard R35 would easily be in front, let alone one with rubber, brakes, cage (interior gone), seats, tune, etc etc.

[Leckske]

18 seconds is an eternity on a race track.

In that article they list the pole times for all the bathurt's races, and you'll see that even cars from the 1970's were faster than the GTR.

Keeping in mind of course that the track was slighty different back in the 70's as the chase didn't exist until the second half of the 80's.

[kralster]

^^^touche

the GTR still fails as a race car in standard trim, and there aren't many cars out there that are ready from the factory for racing, so i still think it's pretty impressive.

What's not impressive is the weight of it, and it is unexcusable for it to weigh that much.

[pixel8r]

It's because it's so much more expensive than anything else that Nissan sells, but when compared to it's competition (which it beats), it's a bargain

No its much more expensive than anything else Nissan sells IN AUSTRALIA. Pretty sure the R34 GTR wasn't too far off that figure at one stage...

Most aussies when they think of nissan, think of the Tiida, pulsar, and maxima, and maybe a handful of 4wd's, so you can hardly blame them for associating nissan with relatively cheap cars for the average consumer. But what they dont see is the performance car heritage Nissan has - which is well known in Japan, but not many other places.

As for the comparison, the GTR is a factory road car, not a race car. I thought it came pretty damn close in cornering speed on most corners, and was even faster on one of the corners (was that correct?).

I think a race-spec GTR would find the extra 18seconds and then some, pretty easily.

The V8 supercars are pretty much just a shell, and completely custom - almost nothing about them has any resemblance to the road cars. So with this in mind a race-spec GTR would be much lighter, more powerful, and have better brakes and suspension setups. Its not difficult to imagine record-breaking times from a race-spec GTR.

However, I doubt we'll see the day...maybe an unofficial lap time perhaps, but not an official race one.

Those who complain about the weight - why? Its a road car - its already extremely quick...why sacrifice anything that it has when all you'd gain is more speed/handling? - and it performs brilliant in these categories already.

I reckon if the weight isn't hurting it, then its fine. Its a road car primarily. Any race versions would undoubtedly be much lighter...

[BoyWhoCriedWolf]

Would love to see what sort of times Quinny or Steve would do around Bathurst. That would give us a better idea. Even their cars are not full "race" beasties.

[1q2w3e4r]

Some of you guys should get out on a racetrack, or get out at Bathurst on a no speed limit event. A 2:25 is honking around there, for a STOCK road car.

The fastest Carerra Cup cars were running 2:20s at the Drive Bathurst event, and the quickest time that won the Supersprint was a 2:26 on the final day which was a R33 running in 2WD. None of those cars were even remotely close to standard.

[evil_weevil]

Good issue that mag, there is a certain 33 in the readers rides part that won...