Brand new Wolf 3d plug in and Apexi avcr $1400

[Cubes]

The Wolf3D V4 plug in is around $1395.

It comes standard with closed loop and boost control.

It is definately a good price especially for the R32 owners who in order to get a powerfc have to pay around $1500 then + the boost controller.

Just a pitty about the knock sensor thats all.

I've just emailed [email protected] regarding future knock sensor implementation. If you are looking at a Wolf why not email them as it might make them do it.

[JimX]

Originally posted by -Joel-

If you are looking at a Wolf why not email them as it might make them do it.

Well, Steve-SST is reading this thread, I guess that's as good as emailing them

The only reason I'm looking at the Wolf is in case the PowerFC doesn't do everything I want it to. I've got one on order (should have arrived last week but was delayed) but I would consider selling it and getting a Wolf if I found that there were some fundamental advantages to the Wolf, and I could do a changeover without much of a price difference. I'll just have to wait and see how I go with the PowerFC once it arrives.

[Steve]

Would also be interesting if the wolf allowed upgraded afm, does anybody know if it comes with basic maps installed to allow driving before it is tuned?

[Cubes]

Apparently it is a true plug in and drive away IF you car is running stock boost, stock exhaust etc etc..

So I guess it can't be anywose than a standard ECU.

PowerFC's you can't really plug in and drive away as I've seen one with cat damaging black smoke emitting from the rear of a R33.

I posted it in the other thread of Powerfc vs wolf3d but here's the quick list I made of what the ecu contains.. Really for $1395 it is pretty good value.

Boost Control

Turbo Timer

Air Temp

Engine Temp

Internal MAP & External MAP/MAF

Load - MAP, MAF, TPS

Closed Loop

Thermo Fan

Rev Limit (Yellow & Redline)

Fuel - Engine Temp, Air Temp, Battery Voltage Compensation

Ignition - Engine Temp, Air Temp Compensation

So is it correct to assume that with the higher resolution (load points) of the wolf3d when not in closed loop mode compared to the powerfc when not in closed loop mode 'Should' get slightly better fuel economy??!?

[N I B]

The Wolf is always being upgraded and the current units are upgradable so you don't need a new ECU if you want the latest version. We want and will have the best plugins so input is greatly appreciated. Economy is up to the tuner.Power FC is good but not better than a Wolf so as Australians we should support Australian companys.

[Zoix]

so i can control my boost, as a turbo timer is it auto, or do i just set 5 minutes?

do i need to be a brain sceinist to use one> and install one?

[N I B]

Their must be good people on the East coast? Send me Email if your having problems and we can try to sort them but please don't post any thing about any shops or they will never help you.

[JimX]

Originally posted by Steve-SST

Power FC  is good but not better than a Wolf so as Australians we should support Australian companys.

I don't buy into that at all. If I did, I would still be driving a Commodore. If the product is good then let it stand on its own merits, don't try to emotionally blackmail people into getting it.

Anyway as I've already said, I've already put the money down for the PowerFC. If the Wolf ever gets a knock sensor implemented I may consider changing over, but not because it's Australian. It'll have to be because the PowerFC isn't doing what I want it to do.

[cyco]

Doesn't the PowerFC's knock sensor just provide a warning light? -Or- can you use your car's existing knock sensor as an input to the PowerFC, which can then make necessary output adjustments to stop your engine from knocking?

If it's the former, then I guess I'll be swaying towards a Wolf3D, as a PowerFC for the RB20DET is a little too expensive, especially when you take into consideration a boost controller.

[Cubes]

cyco.

Having a knock sensor that at least displays a light is a must. What happens if you get a bad batch of fuel or what happens if you run around on a hot day give it a boot full and it pings like crap. or the tuner pumps to much timing in to it. It has happened before.. i.e Microtech.

[GTS-t VSPEC]

The wolf can control the majority of AFM's, but why would you bother seeing as it has an in-built map sensor.

The powerFC only use the cars existing knock sensors.

JimX, I think Steve's point was that the Wolf is at least as good as the PowerFC, so why not support something which you can at least get support on if the product goes wrong. I have spoken to Wolf in the past an they have always been happy to help, plus they are constantly upgrading the firmware to make additional features available to keep ahead of the market.

[N I B]

PFC only uses a light and i find it unreliable for true knock detection.

[Roy]

You can make a knock detector that ights up an LED on the dash, its no big deal. There are aftermarket kits, or DIY jobbies that use the the Delco knock sensor.

[Cubes]

I'm Sold..

[Bl4cK32]

Me too....

[JimX]

Originally posted by Steve-SST

PFC only uses a light and i find it unreliable for true knock detection.

Doesn't the hand controller have a readout for the knock level?

[Steve]

The pfc knock detection may be unrealiable, but it can detect it before my ears can - even if its not knock, I feel happy knowing its there in the background watching.

I have noticed when I have been pottering around in built up areas that the knock levels increase, even flashing the warning light occasionally - when I back off. After a 'gentle' thrash, it starts to drop off until it (detection levels) stay below 30 even when I am giving it heaps.

Now this may not be the case, but if there is a chance that having slightly fouled plugs from running on too many short trips, or if the weather gets a bit hot increasing detonation - if worse comes to worse, I will just wind down the boost or pull a few degrees of timing, and I havent cracked any ringlands yet:D

Even a light on the dash is better than bugger all, when you consider how easy detonation can be to avoid, and how it can happen, as Joel said from a bad batch of fuel or on a hot day - I know what I prefer.

Seriously, if they only cost a few dollars to buy an aftermarket kit its cheap insurance, and something I would not like to be without.

[Steve]

JimX, yes it does.

[Bl4cK32]

I'm no "whizz" at this so let me state anything I'm adding to this discussion if for my benefit.

I understand that the Wolf has "Air Temperature Injection Compensation". This measures the temperature of the air and increases or decreases timing, or the amount of fuel being added to keep a stable air:fuel ratio measured by two sensors.

Wouldn't these two sensors eliminate one of the problems mentioned by Joel and Steve, the hot summers day? Just leaving the odd chance of getting a dud batch of fuel?

[GTS-t VSPEC]

Bl4ck32,

Yes the air temp compensation should avoid any increased chance of detonation due to hot days, but I guess that want the added comfort of a knock signal. I'm sure if we ask Wolf they can setup one of the additional inputs that the Wolf has for this purpose.